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Chikor

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$600 was probably going to get negotiated down, sure but don't give that shit argument credence saying people are going to be too lazy to get back to work when we have evidence the labor markets aren't impacted by that shit.

Steny Hoyer fucking sucks, and while I understand the need to have some more conservative candidates in certain districts, he's sitting in a super solid blue one.
I hope he gets primaried.
 

Hopfrog

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1) MN isn't going red.
2) Russia already DID hack our voter rolls. This has been covered numerous times. Congress refused to put any extra effort into security despite repeated attempts. It is a valid discussion topic.
3) Nobody said the post office would throw away millions of ballots. However, numerous democrat politicians are on social media already pleading with voters to get ballots sent weeks before the deadline specifically because of the new postmaster general and his agenda to delay mail.

You can hand wave this stuff away as nonsense if several in government weren't already sounding some warning alarms, but they have been for a while now. Valid discussion topics.


I apologize if my post came off as hand-waving. They are valid topics, you are correct, it just seemed like there were some overreactions starting to pile up and that is a bad road to go down.
 

Hopfrog

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Dude consistently shit talks OT threads but somehow avoids a ban. Tries to backseat moderate this thread too. Oh well. Not much else to do but Ignore them at this point.


The consistent way in which they shoot themselves in the foot is impressive.


No one is trying to backseat mod anything. I don't appreciate you calling me out for a ban either. The mods are welcome to revisit any of my posts and judge for themselves.
 

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Steny Hoyer fucking sucks, and while I understand the need to have some more conservative candidates in certain districts, he's sitting in a super solid blue one.
I hope he gets primaried.

Someone really should primary him. His district is very blue, well-off, and educated. We could do a hell of a lot better there than Steny Hoyer.
 

studyguy

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NEW: The Senate Republican coronavirus relief package does not include a moratorium on evictions. The House-passed Pelosi bill extends the protection for renters. This will be an issue in negotiations. @LACaldwellDC and me: https://t.co/ctoetFMbQz


The approaches so far: McConnell proposed a bill that can't pass the Senate and which is unacceptable to Dems but it has become the starting point. Dems *passed* a bill in the House but signaled it was just a sop to the left & now say they're willing to climb down on key demands.

Really there's no excuse to not start from the top rung of the Dem demands on this bill when the GOP literally has no consensus and keep running away from various proposals on the bill they just dropped yesterday. Pelosi should come out and clear that statement up before some asshole in the GOP call it a bipartisan defense of their argument that the $600 is a disincentive to work.

 

gcubed

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"Darling moderate " ... can just imagine the foaming mouth and gnashes teeth

Hoyer is trash with that statement for 2 reasons. You don't just walk back a huge thing. I'm assuming he'll come out with "We don't really care about liability protection either!"

2) don't use the bullshit argument about de incentive to work. Besides it being proven wrong - It SHOULD BE right now. People shouldn't have to work. Idiot probably thinks kids are immune and underpaid teachers should be happy to die for school
 
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SasaBassa

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This is exactly one of the cases where a relatively moderate Dem is sitting in a blue AF location and should get blown the hell out by a more progressive individual. Hoyer looking damn dumb.
 

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INT. CASINO - EVENING Steny Hoyer sits at a poker table smoking a cigarette.

He sizes up his opponents: Ted, a flaccid man with a punchable face, Mitch, a future lobbyist, and Rand, a man so obnoxious that the dealer won't look him.

STENY
Hey, ya'll want to see my cards???
 
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lmcfigs

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So you've probably already seen that graphic showing a very convenient flattening of the curve of new cases of coronavirus, but this youtube video is a lot more in depth and i think does lend support to the idea that the government is simply lying about the amount of new cases of the coronavirus we've had, particularly in the red states since HHS started collecting the data as opposed to the CDC. The slope of the curve for new cases went from 6.8 to -.9 in red states - but barely changed in blue states: from 2.3 to 1.5. That's way too convenient. What accounts for such a dramatic drop in red states?

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.
 

BoboBrazil

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I think Hoyer fully reflects the feelings and opinions of Pelosi.


Nice to see atleast 2 dems so far have come prepared for this Barr hearing with Jeffries and Swalwell.
 

RolandGunner

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I wouldn't count on that.



This has big good cop / bad cop energy. Or maybe strong cop / weak cop would be more accurate. Pelosi pounds the table about how the senate bill isn't good enough while Hoyer manages expectations that they probably won't get the extra $600 a weak again.

He's her 2nd in command. If he doesn't, why doesn't she get him in line or give someone else his position? He's done this multiple times.

That's not how any of this works. First, Pelosi can't just fire the majority leader. Hoyer is in place because he speaks for a group of moderate Dems. If we gain more seats in the suburbs his position will only be stronger next session. This isn't unique to the Dems either. McCarthy consistently played to his tea party supporters and undercut Ryan when he was the speaker.
 

Blader

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He's her 2nd in command. If he doesn't, why doesn't she get him in line or give someone else his position? He's done this multiple times.
Because they've never liked each other. Or at least Hoyer doesn't like her.

I don't know if Hoyer is just incompetent or this is deliberately malign behavior toward Pelosi, but he has, a number of times in the last two years, publicly said something out of step with Pelosi and then had to walk it back.
 

Newlib

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This has big good cop / bad cop energy. Or maybe strong cop / weak cop would be more accurate. Pelosi pounds the table about how the senate bill isn't good enough while Hoyer manages expectations that they probably won't get the extra $600 a weak again.

The problem is that Hoyer is just straight up negotiating against himself. Why don't you wait for the GOP to get anything out of the Senate before you start giving up on things. He has done this repeatedly now. If Jeffries or someone else doesn't have his position after this election, I am going to be livid.
 

studyguy

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Exclusive: Democrats introduce a bill to fund legal assistance for those facing eviction. https://t.co/ihvF0Dx7HB

Not facing eviction without a legal defense is one thing, but if you're expected to be flat broke for an indeterminate amount of time and there's no government support coming, I mean you're only going to get so far. Pretty worried for a lot of people in the coming months given the stats on the % of people unable to pay rent last month.
 

RolandGunner

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The problem is that Hoyer is just straight up negotiating against himself. Why don't you wait for the GOP to get anything out of the Senate before you start giving up on things. He has done this repeatedly now. If Jeffries or someone else doesn't have his position after this election, I am going to be livid.

Well prepared to be livid because there's roughly 0% chance that Pelosi is going to kick off a big fight in the caucus right when Biden's taking office.
 

metalslimer

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Hoyer fucking sucks but dems are not passing a bill with no renters protection that drops the unemployment to 200. I still think they end up meeting in the middle at 400, they get eviction protection, but cave on some of the liability protections
 

Sheepinator

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www.businessinsider.com

Trump campaign 'disguised' and laundered nearly $170 million worth of spending, watchdog group alleges in a new federal complaint

Senior Trump campaign staff and the president's family members are named in an 82-page complaint filed Tuesday by the Campaign Legal Center.


OH BOY
Hold on...

How convenient.

Don't expect a quick ruling: The complaint is filed with the FEC, which does not have enough commissioners to enforce federal campaign-finance laws.

From January:

PREPARE TO BE SHOCKED! TRUMP'S ONE WEIRD TRICK TO AVOID A CAMPAIGN INVESTIGATION.

This is a tale of how President Donald Trump is avoiding judgment by the government agency that's supposed to "protect the integrity of the federal campaign finance process."

It begins in June, when the Center for Public Integrity reported that 10 municipal governments had collectively billed Trump's re-election committee more than $841,000 for police and public safety costs associated with his ever-exuberant — and sometimes volatile — campaign rallies. The tab has since nearly doubled after Minneapolis and Albuquerque, New Mexico, sent Team Trump invoices.

But Trump's campaign doesn't even acknowledge these invoices in campaign finance disclosures, as federal law mandates.

This didn't thrill Rep. Bill Pascrell, D-N.J., co-chairman of the bipartisan Congressional Law Enforcement Caucus. So, on Oct. 28, Pascrell filed a complaint with the six-member, bipartisan Federal Election Commission, asking agency officials there to "open an investigation into this impropriety."

Just one problem: the FEC didn't have enough commissioners to take meaningful action. Republican Vice Chairman Matthew Petersen had resigned on Sept. 1, causing the 309-employee agency to slip below a minimum quorum of four commissioners needed to conduct high-level business, including approving investigations and penalizing scofflaws.

"Consequently, any complaints filed since then cannot be acted upon by the Commission," then-FEC Chairwoman Ellen Weintraub, D, wrote Pascrell on Nov. 22.

Thawing the FEC's deep freeze — now in its fifth month — seems straightforward enough: find some new commissioners.

Who alone may nominate new commissioners? Trump.

publicintegrity.org

Prepare to be shocked! Trump’s one weird trick to avoid a campaign investigation.

The Center for Public Integrity is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates betrayals of public trust. Sign up to receive our stories. This is a tale of how President Donald Trump is avoiding judgment by the government agency that’s supposed to “protect the integrity of the federal campaign...
 
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rjinaz

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Five Hundred and Ninety Nine US Dollars.


Bingo.
Yep. Tons of good polls comes out again and again and it's "throw it on the pile", "vote"!

A single bad poll and it's "I knew it", "democrats are slipping". I mean not directly but that's seems to be the attitude being put out there.

I mean I get it, Trump has us all shook but people need to realize that their confirmation bias is showing. That's why it's always a good idea to pay attention to poll trackers like RCP or 538 that give an overall percentage of polls, and not focus on one single poll, good or bad. We had like two pages talking about Minnesota when Biden is sitting pretty at +8%
 
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