Im not saying you're wrong about male dominated enviroments. Im saying singling out one race as a bigger problem ia dumb. I can easily tell you that working in a male dominated enviroment the people ive met that have been the most transphobic, homophobic and sexist people were never white. Racist? Yea id agree that white males would take that.
What is this victim blaming crap?exactly. Well from time to time I start wondering if some people just like to play the victim
Do you think this is because of the industry? I mean they are all grown people. If i were gay and one person or two would laugh at me, i would simply defend and say , yeah I'm gay i love boys anything wrong with that?
And where is the boss in all those scories, arnt there some sort of respect standard?
If i were to bully someone at my job, my boss would immediatly say you are suspended for 3 days straight.
You make it seem like white people are a bigger problem when you specifically single out white people.are you serious? Thats the whole reason i said you shouldve left it at male dominated enviroments. You really dont think that typing white Male dominated enviroments to boot is making it seem like youre singling them out? Like seriously?Where did I say white people are a bigger problem? Homophobia, sexism and transphobia are HUGE problems in Japan for example. Afro Caribbean communities have a huge homophobia problem too.
You've assumed way too much from my statement. This isn't a point scoring contest.
I can tell you that as a black person, working in game development that the lack of racial diversity in this scene is a massive problem, which is perpetuated by the dominance of white people, men especially.
Yeah lol I used to work 90+ hours for a time and it didn't turn me into a bigoted shithead
You make it seem like white people are a bigger problem when you specifically single out white people.are you serious? Thats the whole reason i said you shouldve left it at male dominated enviroments. You really dont think that typing white Male dominated enviroments to boot is making it seem like youre singling them out? Like seriously?
If I would be gay or trans I would totally assume my choice and never being shy about it.
If I would be gay or trans I would totally assume my choice and never being shy about it.
I'm sure you have, but he lack of racial and gender diversity is a big contributing factor. Unless you're trying to suggest that the video game industry being over represented by white, straight middle class men isn't an issue?
Not saying it is THE problem, but it is A problem partly contributing to the issues highlighted in this thread.
Get the fuck out of here with this. Attributing the laundry list of bad behavior that has nothing to do with race to white people, just cuz? You're part of the problem.
Clearly you dont understand what im saying. So im just gonna stop cause it seems purposeful at this pointI am singling them out, because white male dominated environments are also a big issue in the game industry in Europe and North America. I'm not saying it's a bigger problem, I'm saying it's a problem, and a huge one.
Unless you truly believe it's not? And if so then I'm wasting my time talking to you.
Clearly you dont understand what im saying. So im just gonna stop cause it seems purposeful at this point
Pretty much.This completely explains how multiple someones thought Rousey was a good idea. Kind of amazing bikini ninjas didn't happen.
Yeah, I balked at that shit. The comments aren't great, but something like that which should be intrinsic and basic at ANY workplace in the 21st century is just all levels of fucked up. this says much more about their opinion about women than any comment could.They don't even have a woman's bathroom???? Are you fucking serious??? I've heard some sexist garbo happening at game development studios in my day but that's some next level shit.
Your choice?If I would be gay or trans I would totally assume my choice and never being shy about it. As I write earlier most of my friends are gay and I'm often being getting poked because I'm the only straight guy and It's alright. At one point you need self mockery and confidence in your person.
But It sounds unbearable in the gaming industry, feels like there is simply no respect standard. They need harrassment meeting asap
Really? How so?Just looking at a one minute trailer for their new game and yeah I'm not shocked that the studio that produced this is also a raging misogynist / homophobe / transphobe hell hole.
I would just hazard a guess that the segment of the gaming population that takes pleasure in horrifically graphic mutilations, dismemberments and disembowelings has a higher-than-average overlap with the toxic sections of the community. Maybe thats an unfair reading though.
It is an unfair reading, especially considering a lot of the devs who are affected by this toxicity are long time fans of the series themselves, and their contributions are all over the games.I would just hazard a guess that the segment of the gaming population that takes pleasure in horrifically graphic mutilations, dismemberments and disembowelings has a higher-than-average overlap with the toxic sections of the community. Maybe thats an unfair reading though.
The answer is to plan things accordingly. Don't shoot for the stars if you can't hit the moon with minimum sense of humanity.I will continue to see crunch as a common, possibly necessary evil if humans are going to continue to want things to maintain rapidity of output.
I am not sure if this is helpful for people who are following this matter, but, as far as I can find, this is all the original expose articles that have been written about Neatherrealm in chronological order.
0- April 23: Polygon published a report on the crunch culture at Epic Games and how the success of Fornite led to even more crunch. The report contains tippets.
How Fortnite's Success Led to Month of Intense Crunch at Epic Games
Polygon - Colin Campbell
Sources: (from the article) "dozen interviews conducted with former and current Epic Games employees."
Apparently, this report encouraged some people to speak out about the crunch culture at other studios, such as:
1- April 23: James Longstreet (@jlongstreet) who worked at Neatherealm as a software engineer for two years spilled some details about the adverse working conditions he suffered during his time there in a Twitter thread. Longstreet worked on Mortal Kombat, Injustice, and Mortal Kombat X.
Twitter || Threader
2- April 24: An artist by the name of Beck Hallstedt (@beckhallstedt) who formerly worked with Neathrealm quoted Longstreet's twitter thread, subsequently recounting her time working with the studio. Beck was a concept artist for Injustice 2. The tweets were corroborated by a former QA analyst by the name of Rebecca Rothschild (@RBonksR)
Twitter || Threader || Rebecca's tweet
3- April 24: PC Gamer picked up the tweets as the basis of a report which contains recounts from four former QA contracts.
Former Devs Speak About 'Sever Crunch' at Mortal Kombat Studio
PC Gamer - Wen Fenlon, Andy Chalk
Original sources: Longstreet's tweets, Beck's tweets, interviews with four former QA contractors, including Rebecca Rothschild who corroborated Beck's tweets.
4- May 2: USGamer exposes more details about Neatherrealm's horrendous treatment of contractors, and the roster leak that led to major fallout with respect to individual contractors.
This Is How They Get Away With It:" Former NetherRealm Studios Contract Devs Reveal a Troubling Studio Culture
USGamer - Matt Kim
Original sources: interviews with four former contractors who worked on Mortal Kombat, Mortal Kombat X, Injustice 2 (none of the sources worked on Mortal Kombat 11 according to the article).
5- May 3: GameIndustry.biz followed up with a report of their own about the self-sustained crunch culture at Neatherealm.
NetherRealm's self-sustaining culture of crunch
Gameindustry.biz - Brendan Sinclair
Original sources: interviews with nine current and former Neatherrealm full-time employees and contractors.
6- May 4: Variety's report exposed another facet of Neathrealm's unsavory work environment, detailing toxic work conditions including harrasements and low-pay.
'Mortal Kombat 11' Game Devs Allege Toxic Work Conditions at Warner Bros. Interactive's NetherRealm
Variety - Liz Lanier
Original sources: (from the article) "a mix of current and former full-time employees and contractors"
Get the fuck out of here with this. Attributing the laundry list of bad behavior that has nothing to do with race to white people, just cuz? You're part of the problem.
You make it seem like white people are a bigger problem when you specifically single out white people.are you serious? Thats the whole reason i said you shouldve left it at male dominated enviroments. You really dont think that typing white Male dominated enviroments to boot is making it seem like youre singling them out? Like seriously?
I'm pretty sure there are studies that show that crunch time is less efficient than managing time better, but the first things I see when I google "crunch time studies" are just stuff about how prevalent it is in the video game industry.I will continue to see crunch as a common, possibly necessary evil if humans are going to continue to want things to maintain rapidity of output.
Sexist and racism, however, get no excuse. Awful. Absolutely awful.
Hmm well I admit my original post was probably misguided then, thanks for engaging with me constructively.It is an unfair reading, especially considering a lot of the devs who are affected by this toxicity are long time fans of the series themselves, and their contributions are all over the games.
Lol at both of you pretending that game development is not white male dominated field.
Yes it is "White" males that are largely responsible for the culture in gaming because "White" males are the bulk of the work force specifically when talking about an American development studio.
Again, lol at this being your take away from all the shit to talk about in this article.
Appreciate you weighing in on this. I'm actually shocked that after all the shit that's happened over the past year even, people would find issue with what I said.
The lack racial diversity absolutely is a huge issue. To claim otherwise is grossly disingenuous and ironically, 'part of the problem'.
It's the sort of position that sounds good if you can divorce yourself from reality.Appreciate you weighing in on this. I'm actually shocked that after all the shit that's happened over the past year even, people would find issue with what I said. The lack racial diversity absolutely is a huge issue. To claim otherwise is grossly disingenuous and ironically, 'part of the problem'.
I don't doubt that "managing time better" is better, but there's a world of difference between saying that something should happen and actually putting it into practice. Increasing the efficiency of management is a very difficult thing to do, and arguably endless.The bathroom issue is bizarre. I've been in a situation where there was no men's room, but that was because the people on the floor were overwhelmingly women, and it was with all of the men's permission that it got converted to a unisex bathroom.
I'm pretty sure there are studies that show that crunch time is less efficient than managing time better, but the first things I see when I google "crunch time studies" are just stuff about how prevalent it is in the video game industry.