How better is the CPU? I saw it on google and the PS5 CPU is 3.5 GHz and the XSX CPU is 3.8 GHz, is that a big difference?
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Verge: Lockhart has 7.5GB of usable RAM, the same CPU speed as Series X, about 4 teraflops of GPU performance. [Up: TW - Won't hold back Next-gen]
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How better is the CPU? I saw it on google and the PS5 CPU is 3.5 GHz and the XSX CPU is 3.8 GHz, is that a big difference?
The mic drop can't happen without Sony revealing their price first.
As an unrepentant Sony fan, my response is: anyone believing LH specs "holds back" next gen development is an idiot. I do believe PS5 will outsell any XSX incarnation based on general mass market impressions given recent launch announcements. In the console wars, it's always been about exclusives that sell.
I'm curious to know why this would be any worse than issues related to a lower-speced PC (let alone the Switch or an XBO)?
The amount of variables to contend with on a PC are definitely going to be greater than issues that may arise between an XSX and an XSS.
Put another way, it isn't going to be the XSS that's going to make devs groan the most. Do they love having an additional machine to debug against? Probably not. But is it going to make their life that much different than it currently is? Also - probably not.
Or are you limiting your point to games that would only be on consoles, and not on PC?
People holding the sentiment "holds back next gen" are quite frankly, stupid, anyone that says that are woefully lacking in understanding to discuss this, I'm sorry. Lockhart is using next gen architecture and will be designed in mind to make use of all of the next gen tools MS have brought to accommodate consoles and PCs. They would've stress tested scenarios with partners and engineers before landing on these specs, it must point to things working out if they're going ahead.
Numbers only matter when it's not about the SSD speed or the Lockhart v PS5/XSX TF gap. XSX CPU is 3.8Ghz with SMT off, and 3.6 GHz with SMT on. PS5 is 3.5Ghz SMT on or off. Suddenly, 100Mhz is an important gap. That being said, I don't think Lockhart will hold back the gen, but it's unrealistic to assume a significant gap does not exist between it and the main consoles.
Tom Warren [Lockhard won't hold back next-gen]
It does sound like MS is taking the right moves to make sure Lockhart really doesn't affect the potential of games on the XSX... but now I'm wondering how cheap this thing can be if it's really just a, albeit significant, GPU downgrade.
You'd think they'd stick with the same SSD size because it's digital only.
You'd think they'd stick with the same SSD size because it's digital only.
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PC has no quality bar. Who cares what happens there? Really, very little care is taken. I guess it kinda runs, ship it? Consoles are dedicated experience devices. The experience you receive needs... a little more curation, devotion, and _time_ to ensure it runs AND reviews well. There's a difference between something that supports the lower end and something that Supports it (capital S).
I don't really think anything will "hold back next-gen" in terms of games developed for PS5 and Series X specifically.
Just curious if at some point PC versions are going to require SSDs to play certain games.
Just curious if at some point PC versions are going to require SSDs to play certain games.
They think game design will be hampered by having Lockhart as a lowest common denominator to design for. I think this fear is hugely overblown.
People complained about all this and more about the pro and X. The industry miraculously survived the hardship. It's up to Microsoft to make it easy for developers, and I would be willing to bet they have devoted alot of resources into making sure the tools are there to cleanly 'downport' to lockheart. All the vital factors are the same except the GPU. Everything but exclusives, will still be built around HDDs on PC for years to come. That should be your biggest concern holding developers back from the next gen promiseland, not the resolution they will be running at on lockheart. Which is all thats designed to be different
Didn't they just say CPU isn't a big deal or was that a different spec?
Can raytracing just be turned off easily by devs?
The last point does not instill confidence in said product.
If the Epic team is correct about working with the PS5, I can see the same thing happening of devs focusing on one version with the PC and focusing on another one later.
Can raytracing just be turned off easily by devs?
The last point does not instill confidence in said product.
If the Epic team is correct about working with the PS5, I can see the same thing happening of devs focusing on one version with the PC and focusing on another one later.
Can we wait for it to be officially revealed With official specs before we start defending its existence?
Lockhart ( Series S ) will be marginally more powerful than the current Xbox One X.
Games will run fine on it, and it will sell like gangbusters if its at $299. People are getting worked up over nothing.
Games will run fine on it, and it will sell like gangbusters if its at $299. People are getting worked up over nothing.
Codename for a low-cost next gen Xbox that targets 1080p instead of 4k.
That's great and all, but aren't all first party games playable on Xbox One as well? Wouldn't that hamper next gen games?
It's already happening. Star Citizen is basically unplayable without an SSD.
Seeing official specs won't suddenly educate the 90% of people here who don't know what those specs mean.
Will be interesting to see how this goes. This is also my concern.
Just in the first year. Like last gen and the gen before that, launch is just full of cross gen games, even if they are only on the new console.
Is Lockhart CPU faster than PS5 after taking into account ancillary hardware on the PS5 for I/O which offloads items off the CPU? There's a lot of unknowns at this point to make universal claims. Regardless, the major difference is going to be on the memory & GPU, not the CPU. It's good that things like CPU and SSD are mostly the same, but that doesn't mean compromises won't be made.
The fact that developers have been making games for various hardware ranges doesn't negate the fact that by targetting fixed hardware you can do a lot more. Just look at what some devs have been able to put out on the PS4 exclusively. TLOU2 is running on 1.84 TFlop hardware, which is absolutely crazy. I don't think there's a single game running on an approximately 1.84 TF PC Graphics Card that can come close to comparing.
The fact that developers have been making games for various hardware ranges doesn't negate the fact that by targetting fixed hardware you can do a lot more. Just look at what some devs have been able to put out on the PS4 exclusively. TLOU2 is running on 1.84 TFlop hardware, which is absolutely crazy. I don't think there's a single game running on an approximately 1.84 TF PC Graphics Card that can come close to comparing.
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Microsoft should hire this bloke. Just cut out the middle man.
Wait, lockhart cpu is faster than PS5? Im not very technical but to me that makes me wonder how it's supposed to the cheap offering.
I find it weird that people keep bringing PC gaming up in these conversations. If I'm making a game that needs a better GPU than a 970, I just list it in the minimum requirements and that's it, I'm not forced to support it if I want to release the game on the platform. In this case, if somebody with a 970 buys the game and it's unplayable, it's their own fault.
Nobody's arguing that Lockhart is gonna hold every single game back. But the biggest ones will have a lower baseline to target than they'd have to otherwise.
