Yup, that's my takeaway as well. Plus I'd only use it if I *really* needed that extra FPS.
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Yup, that's my takeaway as well. Plus I'd only use it if I *really* needed that extra FPS.
AMD Sponsored games would be better off implementing Temporal AA Upsampling.
Better than bilinear, bicubic, lanczos, etc. spatial upscaling - but that is about it.
TAAU is only for UE games. TSR for UE5 is even better. HOWEVER... these solutions are not as performant as FSR. I found it very weird why DF only showed GPU utilization to hit 60FPS vs just unlocked FPS numbers. KitGuru did this same test
and found that FSR was slightly better than TAA in performance.
I think here though is that 3 fps is worth sacrificing for better image quality
Nice work on the analysis Dictator (as always). Given how prevalent it is becoming nowadays, at least for the bigger games, to include an option for some form of upscaling, it's disappointing that FSR (at least in its current iteration) appears to be inferior to these proprietary upscaling solutions. Then again, DLSS 1.0 had its shortcomings as well, so hopefully FSR continues to improve going forward.
put in both and take a free check from AMD
upscaling wars will be determined by who throws around the most money
I mean but that's also on a game to game basis, KitGuru mentions that in Godfall TAAU has noticeable artifacts that aren't present in FSR and that he would pick FSR. And like I mentioned, TAAU seems to be mostly UE4. Sure developers can implement their own version, but are they doing that? I think the biggest example of this would be like Cyberpunk. Sure they got their Nvidia money for DLSS... but that game could definitely have benefitted from a TAAU-like solution and they have the resources to do so, but they didn't. AMD having a solution and one that seems to be relatively easy to implement will lead to more games having some sort of upscaling option.
I'd love to see comparisons of 4K FSR Ultra Quality vs. the native rendering resolution of 4K FSR Ultra Quality (2954 x 1662) scaled up to 4K.
If there's not much of an improvement in image quality, I'd much prefer the implementation of a shading rate / resolution scaler setting, something akin to what you'd find in RE2 Remake, Borderlands 3, or Dragon Age Inquisition.
If there's not much of an improvement in image quality, I'd much prefer the implementation of a shading rate / resolution scaler setting, something akin to what you'd find in RE2 Remake, Borderlands 3, or Dragon Age Inquisition.
My biggest problem with even something like DLSS, is that it makes RT look so noisy. At least, in Watch Dogs Legion and Cyberpunk, the quality of reflections (especially water reflections) just becomes so noisy regardless of the DLSS setting used.
That's at 1440p at monitor viewing distances, the situation changes greatly when you're playing on a big 4k TV 6 feet away, but the point still stands.
That's at 1440p at monitor viewing distances, the situation changes greatly when you're playing on a big 4k TV 6 feet away, but the point still stands.
TAAU is only for UE games. TSR for UE5 is even better. HOWEVER... these solutions are not as performant as FSR. I found it very weird why DF only showed GPU utilization to hit 60FPS vs just unlocked FPS numbers. KitGuru did this same test
and found that FSR was slightly better than TAA in performance.
Slightly better in performance, but dramatically worse in image quality as the DF video showed.
God fall does not have Temporal Upsampling at all? Where is this image from? The game does not even have a res slider.TAAU is only for UE games. TSR for UE5 is even better. HOWEVER... these solutions are not as performant as FSR. I found it very weird why DF only showed GPU utilization to hit 60FPS vs just unlocked FPS numbers. KitGuru did this same test
and found that FSR was slightly better than TAA in performance.
FSR is not temporally stable.
It doesn't add temporal issues but these issues are still there since TAA is still there. DF's video show this pretty well in Godfall for example where there is a lot of ghosting with and without FSR.
As for it adding AA I very much doubt this. In fact I expect FSR to actually rely on game's AA heavily to properly reconstruct the higher resolution image, and the better this AA is - the better the reconsctruction will work. You can of course use something like SMAA here but saying that this is an advantage of FSR would be a stretch - we use SMAA for a decade now after all.
And yes I fully expect FSR 2.0 to go into temporal upscaling just like DLSS and most TAA solutions did.
Also easier to implement, will be in AMD sponsored games, more accessible.... TAAU has existed in UE since 2018. The concept wasn't that new before then either, and how many games officially have a setting in game to enable it? Even in that image I sent, it seems like TAAU was forced AND it's a UE4 game. It's about finally making some form of upscaling a feature in more games going forward, something that hasn't caught on with TAAU even with UE4 games.
Since this tech is open source, is it possible that someone out there can make it possible for it to work on unsupported cards (like my Radeon R9 390 w/8GB of VRAM)? Or is that something AMD has to implement, or maybe the developers of each individually supported game?
There's no reason this should not work out of the box on older cards.
What AMD is saying is that they don't give official support for it, meaning they're not testing it works and performs properly.
But it's extremely likely it'll just work as well for them.
according to Gamers Nexus it seems it should work on those cards. and FRS has to be implemented by the devs
It should work out of the box in them, this solution is purely based on Shader Model 5.0 Compute Shaders, that means Radeon HD 5000 and GeForce 400 and up.
It will work on any DX11 capable GPU with about 100% possibility.
I just got a tweet from someone telling me how they did this. I never knew a bout this nice config tweak. I tried to use UNreal Engine Unlocker which doe snot work unfortunately with GodFall.
I would be curious to see the difference between TAAU and FSR Quality or Ultra Quality. You only compared against Performance mode in the video from what I saw. Shouldn't the comparison be the best each feature can offer?
The purpose of comparing it to TAA U is to point out that FSR is outcompeted no matter what resolution is the input if a game has TAAU. AKA, there is not reason to use FSR if TAA U is available. The difference at higher input resolutions is the same, just with more convergence:
Notice the character model, hair, textures, etc.
Oh sweet! I've never even played Godfall so I assumed it was a setting. Hopefully that helps with testing future games! I also had a question, TAAU has existed for a few years and other studios have their own solutions, is there any reason why there aren't more games with official settings in games especially after DLSS released? I agree with you that TAAU looks better than FSR (TSR will probably blow it out of the water) and the performance difference is negligible but I like FSR because I know more games will actually support/have in-game options for it like Cyberpunk with FidelityFX CAS. Was just wondering since I suspect DF knows a few devs.
Wow, thanks for the replies! I bought my R9 390 Nitro for a really nice price five years ago, and it continues to keep my old rig chugging along. I want to wait to replace the entire rig in a year and a half or so, but I hope I'll be fine at 1440P until then if possible. With its 8GB of RAM, I'm thinking that I can get a decently playable experience on some of the upcoming games up to that point (with some tech details dialed down of course). This FidelityFX tech looks pretty good in screenshots to me to help with that effort.
Everyone should really use some amount of sharpening on TAAU output as that is what FSR does with its "RCAS" part. Should make such comparisons even more interesting.
Nice. So it's the best around if you pretend that all other solutions don't exist.
Isn't FSR more performant than TAAU though?The purpose of comparing it to TAA U is to point out that FSR is outcompeted no matter what resolution is the input if a game has TAAU. AKA, there is not reason to use FSR if TAA U is available. The difference at higher input resolutions is the same, just with more convergence:
Notice the character model, hair, textures, etc.
Some of the other videos I've seen use unlocked framerates and FSR did outdo TAAU in framerate.
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Wonder what 720p native would look like though... FSR looks pretty awful here.
Kitgurus video was pretty nice. I just tried this in Riftbreakers 1440p. 85fps~ to 115fps~ with Ultra Quality. Some minor (to me) degradation to IQ with aliasing with transparencies. I'd probably play in this mode as it's real minor to me in motion.
Decent start from AMD, TAAU comparisons are apt. Hopefully AMD efforts don't stop here.
Decent start from AMD, TAAU comparisons are apt. Hopefully AMD efforts don't stop here.
A lot of places seem to be pretty impressed with what AMD have done so far. Completely not shocked that DF isn't.
It's a great first step for AMD and improvements are going to come for sure over time.
It's a great first step for AMD and improvements are going to come for sure over time.
This work in a Ryzen 3 3200G too?
https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/radeon-software-fidelityfx-super-resolution
It mention "AMD Ryzen™ Desktop Processors with AMD Radeon™ Graphics" but not sure if my APU can works with it.
https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/radeon-software-fidelityfx-super-resolution
It mention "AMD Ryzen™ Desktop Processors with AMD Radeon™ Graphics" but not sure if my APU can works with it.
Anything that extends the life of older/underpowered hardware is a winner in my book. Glad they made this open for all.
Well, I feel there's very few places that properly explore how it matches up against existing solutions, like the TAAU comparison. It's hard to impressed when there's already better solutions that would also work on all GPUs with a very similar performance hit. I feel a lot of places are just reviewing this in a vacuum.
A lot of videos have explored exactly those comparisons and they look good compared to TAAU.
Feel free to elaborate on this.
Sure, in that they incorporate a temporal component and fundamentally change how it works and basically address its main criticism now. If you're expecting any significant improvement while keeping its spatial method largely intact now, I wouldn't.
Aside from DF, I've only seen KitGuru compare with TAAU. Who else?
FSR off vs on Ultra Quality in Riftbreaker Demo.
The IQ is a bit softer and didn't except to be a blurry mess as I expected to be
The IQ is a bit softer and didn't except to be a blurry mess as I expected to be
Some people might be more sensitive to the shimmering of TAAU, unless kitguru was exaggerating.The purpose of comparing it to TAA U is to point out that FSR is outcompeted no matter what resolution is the input if a game has TAAU. AKA, there is not reason to use FSR if TAA U is available. The difference at higher input resolutions is the same, just with more convergence:
Notice the character model, hair, textures, etc.
None of today videos I've seen have made proper comparisons really. Even DF's video omitted things like performance comparisons and use of CAS with TAAU. There's much more to explore here than what was shown today. But tbf there aren't a lot of games to test yet, and zero games where FSR can be compared with DLSS. So many outlets decided to wait until there will be more things to test.
And most videos were on point in their assessment of technique in quality (not really close to native unless native is heavily blurred by post), compatibility (wide h/w support is it's strong suite and will be very helpful for older GPUs) and performance (around +70% on average, closer to +50% for modes which are of useable quality; nowhere near to +140% from AMD's ads).
The only video which was overly optimistic came from HUB (no surprise there really) which managed to not see any difference between native and UQ/Q in Godfall and Anno - which is very visible to those who use their eyes instead of listening to what the presenter says.
I'm not sure if it got glanced over but I was impressed in the Forspoken FSR vid that mentioned they got it implemented within a day. That bodes well for future game support outside of the list of games they've shown so far.
Jesus, was seeing the YouTube comments and Reddit and i feel for Alex. Some people are literally calling him a paid Nvidia fanboy, accusing him an
Just as a FYI for those here: Don't even bother reading Reddit today on hardware/gaming related subreddits. It's a battlefield. Same for YouTube comments section in the DF video
Probably not really fair to the other reviewers as their channels don't really have the same focus on graphics that DF does on a daily basis, but yeah people probably should take any assessments on the graphical differences from the other channels with a very large grain of salt.