You're putting words in my mouth. I specifically said over Bernie.Stop. Seriously, just stop.
There's a name for the wealthy people that want 45 re-elected: They're called Republicans.
You're putting words in my mouth. I specifically said over Bernie.Stop. Seriously, just stop.
There's a name for the wealthy people that want 45 re-elected: They're called Republicans.
Americans don't care about nuance. We mostly care about our own situations.
From what I've read, people that actually have insurance are happy with it.
Telling people that they'll lose their private insurance, pay higher taxes for who knows how long, and then at some point down the line they might see lower premiums would be a disaster.
Trump and his assholes would only need to claim that Bernie will get rid of their insurance and they'll pay higher taxes. Simple and effective.
The irony is that even if Sanders would win, moderate Dems in Congress would never pass his plan.
what is Sady Doyle if not a Never BernerWait, now there are not only NeverBerners (there are not), there are multiple layers of them?
You're putting words in my mouth. I specifically said over Bernie.
I don't know about that. Considering that there are midterm elections and the length of any transition period any M4A plan may have from the date of it's passing, it may not be about protecting mediocrity or improving health care but protecting seats. So even if the M4A bill was so solid and everyone's care was going to be amazing, it was the absolute best case scenario, there'd still be the apprehension before the bill took effect that would leave Democrats vulnerable. Further, it'd also take time for the economic effects of laying off and restructuring such a huge sector of the economy so there could be repurcusions just on the economic front, again assuming everyone's care was fucking amazing.Never is a word I only use in exceptional cases. This isn't one of them. B and large the party knows improving healthcare makes them more popular. But I agree that it will be very hard to do as Sander's envisions because some Dems will be all about protecting mediocrity.
When you say that you're literally doing his work for him.
I say we elect a Dem, no matter who, in November.
You in?
If the Democratic Party and the news media would actually cover his policies and the problems they seek to remedy, he'd enjoy overwhelming support.In any case, Russia's probably not trying to sow chaos and do any 4D chess stuff. Rather, they just want Trump re-elected. And Bernie as the democrat nominee is an absolute guarantee of Trump getting re-elected.
The out of control clown car that was Obamacare is in that state now, I'd imagine something that did more to address people's needs would be even harder to repeal.feel confident saying passing M4A will cost us seats, I think it's the right thing to do but it has to be so well written, so well funded, kick in super fast and be in effect quick enough and working well enough in some areas to mitigate losses to a point it's not entirely feasible to repeal it immediately, we'd have to keep the Presidency to veto budget cuts to kneecap it long enough for it to be better for most people.
Here's the thing, though. Bernie has high approval ratings in part because he hasn't been attacked yet. For all the "there's an establishment and media conspiracy against him" talk among his supporters, he's been handled with kid gloves this whole campaign. Even Clinton went easy on him because he was a weak enough candidate she didn't have to go hard.Sanders is already viewed as one of the most trustworthy politicians. People aren't going to listen to Trump and his surrogates on this talking point, people will hear out Sanders. Managing to assuage their fears and concerns on this issue will be entirely on him.
If the Democratic Party and the news media would actually cover his policies and the problems they seek to remedy, he'd enjoy overwhelming support.
That's waaaaaaaaay too late. Most Americans don't pay attention to the news let alone the presidential election. Hilary's hit job worked because it was years in the making. Not even republicans can assassinate someone that easily otherwise they wouldn't have ended up with Trump. It takes time Trump already doing his limp ass attacks on Bernie right now and almost noones taking notice because they're he thinks they're stronger attacks than they are.Here's the thing, though. Bernie has high approval ratings in part because he hasn't been attacked yet. For all the "there's an establishment and media conspiracy against him" talk among his supporters, he's been handled with kid gloves this whole campaign. Even Clinton went easy on him because he was a weak enough candidate she didn't have to go hard.
If he does get the nomination, Republicans won't hold back. We haven't seen yet how his support will hold up under real attack. I'm afraid it won't be pretty.
"People won't listen to Trump or his surrogates" forgets the fact that ~42% of the country is already hard core bought in and he has state media in Fox News behind him amplifying everything he says. And his approval rating has been climbing for months.
I mean Trump already took Biden out with the Ukraine stuff. I really don't think Bernie is bulletproof.That's waaaaaaaaay too late. Most Americans don't pay attention to the news let alone the presidential election. Hilary's hit job worked because it was years in the making. Not even republicans can assassinate someone that easily otherwise they wouldn't have ended up with Trump. It takes time Trump already doing his limp ass attacks on Bernie right now and almost noones taking notice because they're he thinks they're stronger attacks than they are.
The quid pro quo shit happened because even Trump knows you need some solid shit to take someone down like that and that he's vulnerable in states he needs.
I mean Trump already took Biden out with the Ukraine stuff. I really don't think Bernie is bulletproof.
Biden is out because he did a piss poor campaign and repeatedly put his foot in his mouth. Russia had, at best, a minimal influence on Biden's crash.I mean Trump already took Biden out with the Ukraine stuff. I really don't think Bernie is bulletproof.
Biden took himself out by being a lead weight on the stage.I mean Trump already took Biden out with the Ukraine stuff. I really don't think Bernie is bulletproof.
"People won't listen to Trump or his surrogates" forgets the fact that ~42% of the country is already hard core bought in and he has state media in Fox News behind him amplifying everything he says. And his approval rating has been climbing for months.
Here's the thing, though. Bernie has high approval ratings in part because he hasn't been attacked yet. For all the "there's an establishment and media conspiracy against him" talk among his supporters, he's been handled with kid gloves this whole campaign. Even Clinton went easy on him because he was a weak enough candidate she didn't have to go hard.
If he does get the nomination, Republicans won't hold back. We haven't seen yet how his support will hold up under real attack. I'm afraid it won't be pretty.
And Bernie as the democrat nominee is an absolute guarantee of Trump getting re-elected.
This, people are giving Trump credit he doesn't deserve lol
4) Unions don't want to trade their healthcare in for gov-run M4A. I chuckled when Warren said "I've never met anyone who says they love their healthcare plan." Her statement relies on hyperbole. Switch it to "satisfied/content with their healthcare plan" and suddenly you have everyone in unions. The Koch advertising machine, as well as Trump's main talking point, is going to be that union members will lose the high-quality health plans in favor of nightmarish VA health plans. Everyone arguing that unions will actually benefit from M4A forget that the union members are concerned about QUALITY, and the GOP will play up the (probably true) scare tactics that single-option gov run healthcare cannot compare to what they have now. Government-run programs generally don't meet the same quality levels that private programs do. At least that's the perception, which is what matters since it affects how people vote.
I mean Trump already took Biden out with the Ukraine stuff. I really don't think Bernie is bulletproof.
You're right we complain about quality which is why Sander's still got the majority of union support so far. You kind of don't understand what we debate about contract negotiations. *shrugs*
Any democratic nominee will guarantee Trump to be reelected. The guy is invincible. His base is super loyal. Democrats are weaker than ever and cornered in every direction. Stuff like the impeachment for example, it was lose lose for democrats. You lose and look spineless is you don't impeach him, if you impeach him, you'll lose and help solidify his support. As much as people like to pretend they're wrong, democrats are absolutely in disarray. They have no strategy, no real power, and no idea how to get out of this mess. I think after 2020, the democratic party will collapse due to infighting.
Yeah it just opens him up as an attack point as a Russian agent. It's stupid shit and if Democrats prepare for and flood the News with their attack points on it they can easily damage him on it. It's an admission of guilt. It's an open goal go ham.Trump denies that Russia are interfering, because Putin said so. However, he's also saying that Russia is interfering to help Bernie. How can people fall for this shit?
Do you expect union support to be at the same level (or more) as it was for Hillary in 2016? Because any reduction is a detriment in the swing states of MI and PA where union views matter.
And Trump is going to tell those workers in MI and PA that their union-won healthcare is under attack, and that he'll be the one to "save it" from Bernie. Why else are the other Dem candidates doing the same thing?
Democrats courting Nevada's unions hope 'Medicare for All' fears are enough to slow Sanders
The Vermont senator's rivals have sought to peel off support among a powerful voting bloc by highlighting health care.www.nbcnews.com
I'd love to know which nominee you don't think is a so-called "absolute" guarantee of Trump getting re-elected?In any case, Russia's probably not trying to sow chaos and do any 4D chess stuff. Rather, they just want Trump re-elected. And Bernie as the democrat nominee is an absolute guarantee of Trump getting re-elected.
What more are you asking them to do? Print out his policy proposals and read them live during prime-time? "Sorry folks, we interrupt tonight's Modern Family so we can read verbatim Bernie's 3-page policy on bail reform."
I'd love to know which nominee you don't think is a so-called "absolute" guarantee of Trump getting re-elected?
Where I'm standing I don't see a world where Bernie stands the best chance of winning personally.
The only two candidates that have absolutely no shot at winning the general election are Bernie and Pete.
Bernie would lose PA due to peoples' practical concerns about M4A as well as his proposed ban on fracking.
Pete would lose VA and reduce the margins in PA (Philly) and MI (Detroit) due to his sexual orientation (I guess that's the elephant in the room).
Klobuchar behaved so poorly in her dust-up with Pete on Wednesday that Trump would obliterate her in a debate. Most of the others would handle themselves better. But Klob would still be outside the "guaranteed to lose, we're all ignoring basic reality" zone that Pete & Bernie occupy.
The only two candidates that have absolutely no shot at winning the general election are Bernie and Pete.
Bernie would lose PA due to peoples' practical concerns about M4A as well as his proposed ban on fracking.
Pete would lose VA and reduce the margins in PA (Philly) and MI (Detroit) due to his sexual orientation (I guess that's the elephant in the room).
Klobuchar behaved so poorly in her dust-up with Pete on Wednesday that Trump would obliterate her in a debate. Most of the others would handle themselves better. But Klob would still be outside the "guaranteed to lose, we're all ignoring basic reality" zone that Pete & Bernie occupy.
Bernie would lose PA due to peoples' practical concerns about M4A as well as his proposed ban on fracking.
The only two candidates that have absolutely no shot at winning the general election are Bernie and Pete.
Bernie would lose PA due to peoples' practical concerns about M4A as well as his proposed ban on fracking.
Pete would lose VA and reduce the margins in PA (Philly) and MI (Detroit) due to his sexual orientation (I guess that's the elephant in the room).
Klobuchar behaved so poorly in her dust-up with Pete on Wednesday that Trump would obliterate her in a debate. Most of the others would handle themselves better. But Klob would still be outside the "guaranteed to lose, we're all ignoring basic reality" zone that Pete & Bernie occupy.
It's good to see somebody supporting Bernie when MSNBC and the DNC are doing all they can to work against him.
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Bernie has no skeletons in the closet tho. Every time they try to paint him in a bad light, we get receipts that make him look even more awesome.I mean Trump already took Biden out with the Ukraine stuff. I really don't think Bernie is bulletproof.
Bernie has no skeletons in the closet tho. Every time they try to paint him in a bad light, we get receipts that make him look even more awesome.
There really is no method to the madness.In attempt to sow fear, Russian trolls paid for self-defense classes for African Americans
A group linked to a Russian troll farm paid personal trainers across the U.S. to run self-defense classes for African Americans in an apparent attempt to stoke fear -- and gather Americans' contact details.money.cnn.com
There really is no method to the madness.In attempt to sow fear, Russian trolls paid for self-defense classes for African Americans
A group linked to a Russian troll farm paid personal trainers across the U.S. to run self-defense classes for African Americans in an apparent attempt to stoke fear -- and gather Americans' contact details.money.cnn.com
It will be higher than Hilary Clinton because Hilary Clinton is a woman and the rank and file union member did not like her, in significant (not sole) part, because she's a her.Do you expect union support to be at the same level (or more) as it was for Hillary in 2016? Because any reduction is a detriment in the swing states of MI and PA where union views matter.
And Trump is going to tell those workers in MI and PA that their union-won healthcare is under attack, and that he'll be the one to "save it" from Bernie. Why else are the other Dem candidates doing the same thing?
Democrats courting Nevada's unions hope 'Medicare for All' fears are enough to slow Sanders
The Vermont senator's rivals have sought to peel off support among a powerful voting bloc by highlighting health care.www.nbcnews.com
But Obamacare was totally repeatable. The only reason it wasn't was because McCain did a "fuck you," if people knew he was going to vote that way on the final bill Collins and/or Murkowski might have voted the other way. Any 3 of those votes could have been passed that day and due to one man mucking up the Republicans' plan they didn't. That's luck not the law being bulletproof.The out of control clown car that was Obamacare is in that state now, I'd imagine something that did more to address people's needs would be even harder to repeal.