i know that's why i'm asking for your take after having read the wikipedia article
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i know that's why i'm asking for your take after having read the wikipedia article
And here's the hiding behind the girlfriend defense! Do we have bingo yet?
What the hell are you even talking about?
Like literally what the hell are you talking about? Are you trying to be witty/funny/categorise me from absolutely nothing? Is that what you're really trying to do?
Sigh I remember seeing this game and getting excited for it last year. Game looks slick and I even played the browser game it was based on and knew I'd love to play a bigger version of this just to experience more of it. Then I saw the creator's twitter. And then this game got to join Kingdom Come on my "never supporting this game ever" list.
It looked so incredible and then it was almost immediately revealed to be MRA bullshit that I will never support.
Sure and it is nice that they are honest and I am glad that they are reading up on it now.
Honestly, I am shocked hat people who posted here and at GAF can not know by now what GamerGate is, even if that knowledge is cursory.
Don't worry, I'm not sure what GamerGate is either, I'll save you a good spot in prison.
Should have played Furi instead.
Ahh the beginning words of most of those who get banned in these topics.
Just checked his Twitter and the last thing he's said about it is needing animators. Still seems to be a ways off.
Anyway, I don't think being a controversial figure would prevent stage presence. Last year had products by Adrian Chmielarz and Justin Roiland on the MS stage (or was one of them Sony, I forget?).
Anyway, I don't think being a controversial figure would prevent stage presence. Last year had products by Adrian Chmielarz and Justin Roiland on the MS stage (or was one of them Sony, I forget?).
Is there need to be accusatory against someone who does not claim to know Gamergate much? ResetERA does tend to have users knowledgable on the subject, but I'd honestly save energy for those who've been confirmed to be crapsack.
Going to give the benefit of doubt because why not, some people don't know EVERYTHING at all times, but that poster is making a reference to the countless other posters in the past who would pretend to not know about the situation and then proceed to shitpost on the matter at hand.
With enough excuses to make a BINGO chart out of
In this thread alone I've seen 4 peoples or developers names, one politician (apparently) and a billion different acronyms thrown around and I have no idea who or what they were. I only found out what "sjw" stood for a few months ago. True story.
All I can say is more of you have more time to read and/or discuss these things "behind the games" than I do. And if this developer is indeed putting negative ideaologies in his games then I stand on the side of no thanks. Not because me, personally, have strong views either way. I try and not be manipulated by any media to influence my thoughts or ideaologies either way. Don't watch tv, read mainstream news or anything. It just depresses me. But it's indeed alarming that anyone who doesn't know about these topics automatically gets dumped in a pile of shame.
i'm curious as to their takeaway from it after having avoided the subject for so long. why is that a problem?
Had no idea not knowing and/or bringing up a partner/friend/work colleagues who don't know everything that happens in the industry behind closed doors or on social media makes you a piece of shit. Anyway I'm done. I came to read about the game and I see all of this and I'm just like whoa ok I also don't know any of this "controversy" so what am I?
Even though I can conceive of an interesting sci fi premise of a man's search for personal meaning in a future where basic necessities and equality is all but guaranteed... This dudes tweets don't give me much confidence he can deliver. Politically, he's kind of a basic bitch.
Well, so far we've got "Day 1 who cares lol", "What's a GamerGate?", "Yeah, well, what about this other thing?!", "I'm just asking questions bro", "Maybe the devs views have changed since then", "I don't follow gaming news", "It's only a vocal minority" and your very own "Well my girlfriend is okay with it" among other of the usual dumbass defensive posts when talking about games made by people with troubling or outright disgusting views. I'm sorry I couldn't give you "Is this an America thing?" since someone else already used that one.
See above.
I will agree that just because something made a massive amount of profit, it does not mean that more of that same content will necessarily be created, but a proven IP is a lot easier to sell than a new one. Studios (both film and game) are generally risk averse, and will tend to stick with what they assume works. 50 Shades made a lot of money, and we ended up with 2 sequels being filmed. However, if the original doesn't generate the necessary revenue, a studio generally will not have greenlight a sequel (i.e. Ender's Game, Prince of Persia, Eragon, Solo most likely).
My logic was in reference to the creators, not the actors. But, to address your comment, I wouldn't necessarily say she is actively defending that portrayal, but she is definitely passively defending that portrayal just by taking that role. There was a reason why so many actors and actresses turned that role down, but money talks louder to some than others.
In any case, I think we both sit on different sides of the fence here, and that you've made up your mind, and I mine. Thanks for keeping it congenial, I appreciate someone who can discuss things without getting heated.
Well then by all means, let me get you caught up.
It's amazing how much things spun out of control once the dust settled too.
that depends. are you going to attempt to fill in this gap of knowledge you seem to have?
Perhaps it's just me but some of posts here seemed unnecesarily accusatory in tone, and I know there are non-Westerners here (albeit minority).
I guess I like adopting cautious attitide, if they did not know information posted here should help enlighten them, and if they're trolls they will show their nature soon enough without engaging them unnecessarily.
Already on it as mentioned above it seems to be that the guy who is making the game is a bit of a dickhead? For what it's worth this thread has made me not want to touch this game but that was before I even read about what all of this stuff was about, so I guess it's worked? FWIW I don't read twitter or have it. I'm old man, fuck.
Also there really should be some documentation listing all the problems with this game (WAY worse offender than Kingdom Deliverance) so mod or poster can simply put that and get all these talking over with.
Edit: Channel Awesome controversy was extremely effective because there were documentation that were very informative and left little room for CA supporters to maneuver.
Edit: Channel Awesome controversy was extremely effective because there were documentation that were very informative and left little room for CA supporters to maneuver.
A couple more of his Twitter likes:
(That reads: "If there's a 'convergence of struggles', it's between bigots and the thought police, whose victims are always women and gays." Links to an article reading
"In democracy, there's always a justified feared of a tyranny of the majority. However, today, we face another threat: public space is being subsumed by the identity-based claims of minorities, or rather, by individuals who consider that they are discriminated against on an axis of their being that they claim both essential and minority. The fight against discrimination, normally perfectly legitimate, betrays itself and makes way to aggressive claims, and affirming the right to be different tumbles into a requirement of different rights based on an imagined one-dimensional identity.")
Those two likes, along with the other two that were posted upthread, are all from the last week. Homeboy is still trash.
(That reads: "If there's a 'convergence of struggles', it's between bigots and the thought police, whose victims are always women and gays." Links to an article reading
"In democracy, there's always a justified feared of a tyranny of the majority. However, today, we face another threat: public space is being subsumed by the identity-based claims of minorities, or rather, by individuals who consider that they are discriminated against on an axis of their being that they claim both essential and minority. The fight against discrimination, normally perfectly legitimate, betrays itself and makes way to aggressive claims, and affirming the right to be different tumbles into a requirement of different rights based on an imagined one-dimensional identity.")
Those two likes, along with the other two that were posted upthread, are all from the last week. Homeboy is still trash.
"Won't someone please think of the real victims, white men who want to yell on the internet with no repercussions!"A couple more of his Twitter likes:
(That reads: "If there's a 'convergence of struggles', it's between bigots and the thought police, whose victims are always women and gays." Links to an article reading
"In democracy, there's always a justified feared of a tyranny of the majority. However, today, we face another threat: public space is being subsumed by the identity-based claims of minorities, or rather, by individuals who consider that they are discriminated against on an axis of their being that they claim both essential and minority. The fight against discrimination, normally perfectly legitimate, betrays itself and makes way to aggressive claims, and affirming the right to be different tumbles into a requirement of different rights based on an imagined one-dimensional identity.")
Those two likes, along with the other two that were posted upthread, are all from the last week. Homeboy is still trash.
Geeze, some things never change.
Edit: fixed because that was a little unfair.
Interested in seeing more of the game, visually looks very interesting!
Looking at this thread, some people really need to understand that people that are more casual in the way they experience this hobby can and do not know everything that has happened in the past with a certain dev of a particular game that appeared for the first time to the public on microsoft's conference.
Looking at this thread, some people really need to understand that people that are more casual in the way they experience this hobby can and do not know everything that has happened in the past with a certain dev of a particular game that appeared for the first time to the public on microsoft's conference.
For what it's worth I'd like to apologise if my reply came across as too confrontational in case you really did know nothing about this game or the larger conversation surrounding it and others like it. It's just that I've seen enough dishonest rhetoric being thrown around in an attempt to obfuscate and deviate from real issues that it starts getting a little harder to give people the benefit of the doubt. I hope you understand.
Wonder what Microsoft is going to do going forward. I imagine they'll stay away from promoting the game and just let it quietly release on their platforms.
I haven't seen the bolded happen yet in the thread. I saw someone say their girlfriend loves games and isn't aware of GG on the previous page, is that what you got it mixed with?
What the hell are you talking about? My wife plays games too and she had no idea what GG is either until she asked me a year ago. Hell, I didn't even know about GG until two years ago when someone mentioned it on another forum I go to. Cause I usually don't frequent gaming forums and only joined a small one a few years ago to discuss a podcast I really like with the rest of the listeners.
I can guarantee you that out of all my friends, there are like two that know what GG is. Heck I bet I can ask random co-workers in my office what it is and maybe one person is find that knows what it is. Why? Because most people who game, and this is anecdotal of course, that I know don't really go into gaming enthusiast forums unless looking for a guide.
As for people who don't really play games, a lot of that crap stayed within gaming communities or communities that share cross over, like fandoms. Or social media. Because hardly any of the non gaming accounts I follow have even breached that subject.
It's not ignorance, but you'd be surprised how little non enthusiasts care about what whiney, misogynist children in adult bodies have to say or about our hobby in general.
Yes, you might be right. It skewed so close to the regular taking point that I might have jumped the gun a bit. It's understandable that one's SO might not be as well-versed on such topics. I find the part about not knowing who Steve Bannon is a little harder to believe given his previous notoriety and prominence on the worldwide news stage but it's still my bad.
People really want to buy this game, and they're very eager to put any unpleasant information out of their minds, whether it be buy simply ignoring it or by minimizing how much it should matter to them in this situation.
The cognitive dissonance is strong in this thread.
Pssh, you mean one can simply educate themselves before buying something? Ridiculous. That'd take forever.
The cognitive dissonance is strong in this thread.
Pssh, you mean one can simply educate themselves before buying something? Ridiculous. That'd take forever.
Well could be, as he has stated later on that the game will not be about what it was originally going to be. Though I still have my doubts on the content, but I'll wait and see. Nothing I can do to affect the game, but I can not buy and play it when it comes out if it's some stupid shit.
Nah, your instincts were right. Now they're just gaslighting you.
Here is the standard TLD script:
1. blind fanboy post: "NICE GFX DAY ONE!"
2. feigned ignorance: "What's a GamerGate?"
3. when confronted, get offended: "Lay off me, dude, I don't follow all the gaming news!"
4. if pressure continues, double down on claims of ignorance: "I'm old I don't use that new fangled Twitter!"
Get a new script guys and troll somewhere else.
I may be wrong, but I could have sworn the original intention of the game was something like "the feminists/socialists have won" (paraphrasing) and they've since changed it.
Eh, my girlfriend is more plugged in than the average person (she's been well aware of GG since it started) and even she didn't know about Steve Bannon until recently because she doesn't follow politics to the same level that I do.
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