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Keldroc

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GG happened 4 years ago. It is not unreasonable for someone to not know what it is, especially if they don't follow the gaming industry regularly.

If you're actively posting on this site, one of the corest of core gamer forums in existence, you know what Gamergate is. To claim otherwise is extremely dubious, IMO.
 

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It probably will just get a quiet date announcement and release. I can't see them making a big deal about it because you can't mention it without everyone talking about if it is okay to hate women or not.

At most it ends up in an indie sizzle real at Microsoft's conference.
 

Budi

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I may be wrong, but I could have sworn the original intention of the game was something like "the feminists/socialists have won" (paraphrasing) and they've since changed it.
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These tweets were in 2014, he has retweeted some questionable stuff after that too as I recall. I think he was even going to add the GG mascot Vivian into the game, but has said later on it doesn't happen. Not a good look regardless. This is what he responded when pressured by Xbox PR. There was also an attempted apology at a live stage in PC gaming show.
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one of the corest of core gamer forums in existence.
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The Albatross

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I thought the art vibe was awesome when I saw this previewed, the tone and ambiance looked incredible. Then I heard the developer has some edgelord, asshole takes... Took my interest in the game down a notch but I still thought "If it gets good feedback I'll probably check it out," But then I read that his edgelord takes were going to be central to the story and I was like eeeeehhhhhh.
 
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I may be wrong, but I could have sworn the original intention of the game was something like "the feminists/socialists have won" (paraphrasing) and they've since changed it.
This is just speculation, of course, but personally I think he was just "virtue signaling" to gamergate people, and it was never really about that in the first place.

Either that or it really radically changed, probably because he's not even the writer himself.

Because when you watch the trailer and/or read pieces of information that followed the trailer, it doesn't really matter if "feminists won", because this isn't really a dystopia where you have to fight the power and free the people from tyranny. The technological advances didn't create a terrible future, quite the opposite, it's really an utopia. From an objective standpoint, everyone's lifes was dramatically improved by what was achieved.

The struggles seem to be much more existential, about personal identity. What defines an individual when his individuality isn't really needed.

In the game's world, machines initially provided us with work, essentially freeing us to express our individuality instead of having to work to guarantee our basic needs, but as time passed, they even started to cover that as well. Machines are able to create works of art that basically render our efforts useless in the eyes of the general population, and what we consume has become the only major remaining way of expressing identity.

So, in that context, "feminism winning" only granted us a world where everything worked out perfectly, and the dreams of a technological utopia were actually achieved. The conflicts then are about the human condition, and how we can feel empty even in such a scenario.

There's also a plot about the main character being unable to interact with the augumentations due to some disability, I think, which brings another interesting discussion to the table.

The thing is, the government, or corporations, or whatever, weren't really incompetent in implementing this technology-driven world at all. The backstory doesn't seem to be "feminists won the cultural war and destroyed the world as a result", whoever is in charge did a way better job at this utopia thing than the vast majority of cyberpunk corporations/governments/whatever. It's a different, more personal take on "high tech, low life". It's not the literal low life of living in poverty in the middle of high technology, it's having a perfect material life, but that not meaning the end of personal struggles. If anything, they were amplified.

It's not necessarily better, and some of it could definitely go very wrong and feel superficial, but it's super interesting, and any kind of hatred for minorities absolutely doesn't come across in anything they showed or said about the game in official capacity. Yes, you have the dev saying it's about that, but you also have him apologizing and saying it doesn't. You can either choose which statement you want to believe, or you can wait for the game to come out and judge it based on the content itself. You don't have to support it to do that, I'm sure there will be plenty of articles about it when it comes out, and one can make an informed purchase decision based on that. Or you can always wait for the humble bundle and satiate that guilty pleasure-like curiosity while making sure all of your money went to charity, instead of the devs' pockets.
 

Myradeer

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Nah, your instincts were right. Now they're just gaslighting you.

Here is the standard TLD script:
1. blind fanboy post: "NICE GFX DAY ONE!"
2. feigned ignorance: "What's a GamerGate?"
3. when confronted, get offended: "Lay off me, dude, I don't follow all the gaming news!"
4. if pressure continues, double down on claims of ignorance: "I'm old I don't use that new fangled Twitter!"

Get a new script guys and troll somewhere else.
I mean those are still circumstantial. It's not like the poster is stealth defending Gamergate, and has relented, so post history can be used as actual evidence in the future should he use ignorance card thereafter.
 
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"Our game The Last Night will take a place in a Cyberpunk world where modern feminism won, instead of egalitarianism. #gamergate #notyourshield" this was the tweet. I think he was even going to add the GG mascot Vivian into the game, but has said later on it doesn't happen. Not a good look regardless. This is what he responded when pressured by Xbox PR.
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"Modern feminism won instead of egalitarianism?" Oof. So he is/was one of those guys. He claims to have change, and that's nice, but I'll let the work speak instead of taking him at his word.
 

King Alamat

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I know the real reason why they say it, but smh at all the "Nice graphics, day one" posts. The way people mark out over a played-out aesthetic, it's like jangling keys in front of babies.
 
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