That's an awesome quote. It's the 72 hours until animal rationale. It's frightening and plausible.
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What if this shutdown lasts until 2020?
- Thread starter Exellus
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I think you're talking about a literal impossibility.
Practically every member of the Senate you could find would be hung in a public square well before it hit 2020.
Practically every member of the Senate you could find would be hung in a public square well before it hit 2020.
Federal employees will miss another paycheck on Friday, because the GOP would rather burn the country down than go against Trump
The shutdown will last until the public stops it. We can stop it anytime we want to.. But we are busy with work and Starbucks and such.
Honestly not seeing riots over the shutdown, because the US population (much like here in Canada) is a walking corpse, automatons from capitalism. The minute they try something they'll get crushed by your militarized police and propaganda that will blame the left for some reason (probably along the lines of 'these people would rather destroy the country than work'). I'd like to be proven wrong though, but it's been what, a month already and nothing changed. No riots in sight even though federal workers missed a paycheck (and soon two).
Maybe wait until you don't receive your tax return before creating panic.
The shutdown is becoming 'the norm', like everything else the orange stain has done.
I'm learning about the death of the Roman republic at the moment, and I know it's such a cliche to reference it, but damn the parallels are eerie. The Romans realise their rules, traditions, checks and balances are all just words, all it takes is a charismatic demagogue to appeal to a base, and go "lol, shove your rules up your ass". Then the slippery slope to dictatorship begins. I just finished a couple podcasts learning about the populist Tiberius Gracchus and his brother, and the idea postulated that the Roman senate didn't just murder them because of farming reforms they promised the masses, but because their behaviour eschewed the rules of the Republic. They could have made themselves kings if they'd had their way, considering how easily power corrupts.
Trump's kinda like a imbecilic orange Gracchus, breaking rules, promising to save his idiotic base, and after he's gone, someone else who's not so imbecilic can continue to push the envelope thanks to Trump's precedents and break the republic (well, oligarchy, whatever).
I'm learning about the death of the Roman republic at the moment, and I know it's such a cliche to reference it, but damn the parallels are eerie. The Romans realise their rules, traditions, checks and balances are all just words, all it takes is a charismatic demagogue to appeal to a base, and go "lol, shove your rules up your ass". Then the slippery slope to dictatorship begins. I just finished a couple podcasts learning about the populist Tiberius Gracchus and his brother, and the idea postulated that the Roman senate didn't just murder them because of farming reforms they promised the masses, but because their behaviour eschewed the rules of the Republic. They could have made themselves kings if they'd had their way, considering how easily power corrupts.
Trump's kinda like a imbecilic orange Gracchus, breaking rules, promising to save his idiotic base, and after he's gone, someone else who's not so imbecilic can continue to push the envelope thanks to Trump's precedents and break the republic (well, oligarchy, whatever).
The norm for who? I'm sure the federal employees and their families would disagree with you. Lets see what happens in March when 40+ million people have no money for food. We are on the precipice of a cliff right now and about to go over.
But wouldn't Trump just veto any plan to open the government without the wall? If so, they need 2/3 of the House and Senate to override the veto and that's a high bar.
We'll see what happens with the plans being discussed in the Senate today.
By next week people need to be ready to get out to protest. There is no way we can let federal workers miss a 2nd paycheck.
Who is going to come in and work for free? Who is going to pay the people to hire them? Where is the money to on board them? So on...
I'd like to see them try to hire people with paying them. This isn't a strike where you can hire scabs.
Does anyone who is educated on American politics have a good idea what is the most likely outcome for this situation?
Yup. They will be forced to walk away and find something in the private sector to support their families. They will loose federal jobs forever but they have to eat.
I think that poster is saying that Trump won't even try to hire people and instead wait for everyone to quit then give a contact to a privately owned company to do it instead.
And that privately owned company is going to take that for free?
Republican Senators will eventually override Trump with a veto.
I would say being educated in American politics isn't much help here, because we're in uncharted territory. This is the longest govt shutdown in the country's history, and the person who caused it has no concern for getting people back to work if it means bruising his ego in the process. In the past, both parties involved have at least felt pressure to do right by the people hurt by the shutdown. In this case, Trump doesn't care much one way or the other if people start starving to death as long as he ultimately gets funding for his wall.
That said, I would wager that Republicans not named Trump, particularly senators facing tough re-election fights, will eventually convince McConnell to cave. As for when that happens, I really don't know, but I feel like this shutdown will end within the next month. If the govt is still shut down at the end of February we're in very bad shape.
I can't believe that Trump forced IRS workers to go back and authorized the disbursement of tax refunds. Like, fuck... How more oblivious do you have to be that you don't want those with the means to be "inconvenienced " by him trying to shove a wall up our collective ass. Its a bet that we wont be out there in the streets eventually.
February I'm going out. Hopefully a nation-wide protest is being planned.
February I'm going out. Hopefully a nation-wide protest is being planned.
Republicans will win back the house, expand their numbers in the senate, and Trump will coast to re-election. Democrats are playing a game of chicken against a group of people who are playing "permanently shrink the government" and they will bamboozle the electorate to thinking they need more power to ?give them unicorns?
Republicans are the party of "fuck government, it does nothing for you". Democrats are the party of "government can help you". If the government stays shut down for a long time, more voters are gonna side with fuck rather than help.
Republicans are the party of "fuck government, it does nothing for you". Democrats are the party of "government can help you". If the government stays shut down for a long time, more voters are gonna side with fuck rather than help.
I'm listening to the History of Rome (link seems down at the moment), and also Hardcore History. Specifically Death Throes of the Republic.
lol wtf, it's a government shutdown, not the end of society as we know it. pipe down before you put money in the pockets of scum for a tool you'll never use out of some misguided, paranoid sense of self-assurance. take that money and buy your kids some Vbucks or some shit jesus christ
I don't see that happening. Trump's approval ratings are going down as this shutdown continues. If people were going to react en masse the way you describe, his numbers would be going up.
You can't hire a private company when there is no money to hire them with.
And pay them with what appropriations? Govt contractors arent being paid either.
We're going to need that veto override, and so far, somehow, there isn't the will yet to do it.
Christ this is stupid. A completely manufactured crisis.
Christ this is stupid. A completely manufactured crisis.
I'm pretty sure the reason McConnell won't bring it to the Senate to vote is because there's a chance (even if it's small) that there could be enough support to override the veto and that outcome is terrifying to him.
The Senate can't override the veto if the bill never even gets to the Senate
All of you who are even entertaining the OP's question should seriously take a look in the mirror. Like really. Common sense please. It's lasted 30 days. There not even a cbance it will last until next year. Stop with entertaining the extreme hysteria
The lady who watches my kids after school will be bankrupt
She is a stay at home parent, he husband an ATF agent..she just got diagnosed with breast cancer, they are already in a race against that, but they are also in a race against their benefits not being funded.
She is a stay at home parent, he husband an ATF agent..she just got diagnosed with breast cancer, they are already in a race against that, but they are also in a race against their benefits not being funded.
I'm pretty sure the reason McConnell won't bring it to the Senate to vote is because there's a chance (even if it's small) that there could be enough support to override the veto and that outcome is terrifying to him.
The Senate can't override the veto if the bill never even gets to the Senate
The senate republicans can bypass him. They will, eventually.
Things will probably have to get pretty bad before they even consider it.