I definitely missed all the threads based on a single tweet from an indie dev for other systems so feel free to post links .Man, I must have imagined all those sales threads on titles appearing on different systems.
How strange.
I definitely missed all the threads based on a single tweet from an indie dev for other systems so feel free to post links .Man, I must have imagined all those sales threads on titles appearing on different systems.
How strange.
The lack of AAA 3rd party support remains a glaring weakness for Nintendo. You can't really spin it into a positive. It's not good for it to be thought of as just a console for Nintendo first party games. Without strong 3rd party support, most people will buy a Switch to complement another console or PC. Very few will want to just own a Switch and no other platforms and be satisfied with that. If someone told me I can only keep 1 of my platforms out of PC, Switch, and PS4...the Switch would be the 1st to go.
The premise of the OP annoys me; it implies that there's something odd or weird in wanting to see third parties treat a Nintendo system as an equal to consoles from other manufacturers. The underlying premise of the OP is, "Why won't those stupid Nintendo fanboys stay in their relegated ghetto? Don't they know their place?"
When, of course, the opposite tack makes much more sense -- why shouldn't third parties treat all manufacturers' systems equally and bring their games to as many systems as possible?
The fact it's unrealistic doesn't mean we can't complain about it and critisize nintendo for it, does it?I'd like to win the lottery too. Reality doesn't care what I want though.
If you buy a nintendo platform after all this time and are still expecting most third party games then I just don't know what to tell you. It's beyond delusional at this point after ~20 years of them not having great third party support. The switch cannot handle most of the non indie games coming out so no amount of begging and pestering companies is going to fix that.
The fact it's unrealistic doesn't mean we can't complain about it and critisize nintendo for it, does it?
It's because it is newsworthy. It wouldn't really be a shock to anyone if those games sold more on a platform with 6x the install base that usually is where 3rd party games sell the best.I definitely missed all the threads based on a single tweet from an indie dev for other systems so feel free to post links .
Oh if the complaints are going to Nintendo then by all means go for it, they deserve it after all. I was just saying there's not much devs and publishers can do about the Switch only being roughly 1/3 of an original xb1 (and that's when it's docked). Most games running on the popular engines aren't meant to scale down that far without completely breaking the game. Go look at the digital foundry video for monster hunter and look at how poorly it runs on an original xbox one, now try to imagine it running on something 1/3 the power.
It depends entirely on implementation and optimization, things don't scale that linearly. MHW isn't exactly pushing the limits of Xbox One S or PS4 even if it doesn't run great on them.Oh if the complaints are going to Nintendo then by all means go for it, they deserve it after all. I was just saying there's not much devs and publishers can do about the Switch only being roughly 1/3 of an original xb1 (and that's when it's docked). Most games running on the popular engines aren't meant to scale down that far without completely breaking the game. Go look at the digital foundry video for monster hunter and look at how poorly it runs on an original xbox one, now try to imagine it running on something 1/3 the power.
Sees this is what I take issue with. There are no numbers so the bolded is your personal slant and it happens all the time.It's because it is newsworthy. It wouldn't really be a shock to anyone if those games sold more on a platform with 6x the install base that usually is where 3rd party games sell the best.
Switch indie sales blowing others out of the water is unprecedented for a Nintendo system and should be discussed.
There's no hard numbers but there are endless developer testimonials. If a dev says their game sold best on Switch, often by a wide margin, why would you discount that?Sees this is what I take issue with. There are no numbers so the bolded is your personal slant and it happens all the time.
Just because something is running poorly on base PS4 or Xbox One, doesn't always mean it's pushing the hardware, it could also mean the game was poorly optimized or coded. Also, how is it Nintendo's fault that mobile technology hasn't caught up to Xbox One level power yet. They chose to make a portable home console, and thus, they had to work with what was realistically available.
It depends entirely on implementation and optimization, things don't scale that linearly. MHW isn't exactly pushing the limits of Xbox One S or PS4 even if it doesn't run great on them.
Switch (docked) being roughly a third Xbox One (or a quarter PS4) is only by one metric too (GPU GFLOPS). You introduce heavy fp16 calculation and that metric halves. Switch also comes closer in other aspects too like CPU (roughly half) or RAM (about 2/3), it's not only around a third of XBO power wise overall.
Generally speaking, people aren't asking for Red Dead Redemption 2 on Switch. Everyone knows that the Switch wouldn't be able to handle that, they've been asking for products that make sense for the Switch.
People are annoyed when we have to "beg" to get a fucking Megaman collection on the Switch, which should have been a no brainer from Day 1 considering like basically the entire market for Megaman stuff is on Nintendo consoles. People get annoyed when we have to be "tested" to see if there's a market for Switch with a game that's been ported fucking everywhere already like RE: Revelations, and we still passed that test by outselling every other version. People would like something like Okami HD on the Switch, considering the original game did great on Wii and there's absolutely no reason the Switch shouldn't be able to handle something like that. Stuff that was cross generation like GTA V, or Metal Gear Solid V would seem to make sense for the Switch. Maybe the most unrealistic common ask is Monster Hunter, but I mean, Nintendo fans kept that franchise alive for the last decade, so hey, god forbid if they might want to play the fruits of their labor. PS4/Xbox don't have to ask for products, they just get them, because it makes sense for that product to be there. Switch is selling in record numbers, it makes sense for sensible, realistic, products to make their way there. When that doesn't happen, you'll see people complain. Just like you would if a major release randomly decided to skip Xbox for whatever reason.
Generally speaking, people aren't asking for Red Dead Redemption 2 on Switch. Everyone knows that the Switch wouldn't be able to handle that, they've been asking for products that make sense for the Switch.
People are annoyed when we have to "beg" to get a fucking Megaman collection on the Switch, which should have been a no brainer from Day 1 considering like basically the entire market for Megaman stuff is on Nintendo consoles. People get annoyed when we have to be "tested" to see if there's a market for Switch with a game that's been ported fucking everywhere already like RE: Revelations, and we still passed that test by outselling every other version. People would like something like Okami HD on the Switch, considering the original game did great on Wii and there's absolutely no reason the Switch shouldn't be able to handle something like that. Stuff that was cross generation like GTA V, or Metal Gear Solid V would seem to make sense for the Switch. Maybe the most unrealistic common ask is Monster Hunter, but I mean, Nintendo fans kept that franchise alive for the last decade, so hey, god forbid if they might want to play the fruits of their labor. PS4/Xbox don't have to ask for products, they just get them, because it makes sense for that product to be there. Switch is selling in record numbers, it makes sense for sensible, realistic, products to make their way there. When that doesn't happen, you'll see people complain. Just like you would if a major release randomly decided to skip Xbox for whatever reason.
You are quite wrong about that.Switch won't ever have meaningful third party support even from the companies that should support it for logical reasons (games mostly aimed at more niche audiences or general bigger Japan appeal).
It's roughly half the CPU power because it's literally half the cores. A57 is pretty old too.Half the power/speed of the embarrassingly weak 2012 netbook CPUs that ps4/xb1 use isn't exactly doing the switch any favors in this discussion. Those consoles are hamstrung enough by their cpus.
Everyone will be better off if they can just accept that it's not going to get most AAA games unless they put out some docked only Switch+ that can bridge the gap a bit.
YES. ALL OF THIS.Generally speaking, people aren't asking for Red Dead Redemption 2 on Switch. Everyone knows that the Switch wouldn't be able to handle that, they've been asking for products that make sense for the Switch.
People are annoyed when we have to "beg" to get a fucking Megaman collection on the Switch, which should have been a no brainer from Day 1 considering like basically the entire market for Megaman stuff is on Nintendo consoles. People get annoyed when we have to be "tested" to see if there's a market for Switch with a game that's been ported fucking everywhere already like RE: Revelations, and we still passed that test by outselling every other version. People would like something like Okami HD on the Switch, considering the original game did great on Wii and there's absolutely no reason the Switch shouldn't be able to handle something like that. Stuff that was cross generation like GTA V, or Metal Gear Solid V would seem to make sense for the Switch. Maybe the most unrealistic common ask is Monster Hunter, but I mean, Nintendo fans kept that franchise alive for the last decade, so hey, god forbid if they might want to play the fruits of their labor. PS4/Xbox don't have to ask for products, they just get them, because it makes sense for that product to be there. Switch is selling in record numbers, it makes sense for sensible, realistic, products to make their way there. When that doesn't happen, you'll see people complain. Just like you would if a major release randomly decided to skip Xbox for whatever reason.
Any reason you are sounding so rude? I felt the level of discussion of this thread has been fine but your posts makes me feel we have a ton of people here claiming every game should and could run on Switch.It's nintendo's fault because they chose to make a mobile system. Mobile system means it can't run the types of things that consoles and PCs run. Everyone but switch fans seem to have accepted this fact and have moved on with their lives.
So you need numbers to personally validate if its good or not? Seeing how these devs react and how they seem happy with those, I'd say they have a good reason to tweet these comments.Sees this is what I take issue with. There are no numbers so the bolded is your personal slant and it happens all the time.
Generally speaking, people aren't asking for Red Dead Redemption 2 on Switch. Everyone knows that the Switch wouldn't be able to handle that, they've been asking for products that make sense for the Switch.
People are annoyed when we have to "beg" to get a fucking Megaman collection on the Switch, which should have been a no brainer from Day 1 considering like basically the entire market for Megaman stuff is on Nintendo consoles. People get annoyed when we have to be "tested" to see if there's a market for Switch with a game that's been ported fucking everywhere already like RE: Revelations, and we still passed that test by outselling every other version. People would like something like Okami HD on the Switch, considering the original game did great on Wii and there's absolutely no reason the Switch shouldn't be able to handle something like that. Stuff that was cross generation like GTA V, or Metal Gear Solid V would seem to make sense for the Switch. Maybe the most unrealistic common ask is Monster Hunter, but I mean, Nintendo fans kept that franchise alive for the last decade, so hey, god forbid if they might want to play the fruits of their labor. PS4/Xbox don't have to ask for products, they just get them, because it makes sense for that product to be there. Switch is selling in record numbers, it makes sense for sensible, realistic, products to make their way there. When that doesn't happen, you'll see people complain. Just like you would if a major release randomly decided to skip Xbox for whatever reason.
It's nintendo's fault because they chose to make a mobile system. Mobile system means it can't run the types of things that consoles and PCs run. Everyone but switch fans seem to have accepted this fact and have moved on with their lives.
Half the power/speed of the embarrassingly weak 2012 netbook CPUs that ps4/xb1 use isn't exactly doing the switch any favors in this discussion. Those consoles are hamstrung enough by their cpus.
Everyone will be better off if they can just accept that it's not going to get most AAA games unless they put out some docked only Switch+ that can bridge the gap a bit.
Any reason you are sounding so rude? I felt the level of discussion of this thread has been fine but your posts makes me feel we have a ton of people here claiming every game should and could run on Switch.
I've accepted that the games announced for Switch will come to Switch. I think more games will come to Switch in the future. Some will probably be AAA from pubs feeling it's a good fit and making compromises. I do not expect a lot in general tho. I am fine with it. I will support the stuff I feel deserves support. I know many Switch fans on this forum shares these sentiments.
And again, why is it their fault that they chose to go with a portable home console that plays better to their strengths than risk fighting Sony and MIcrosoft on their turff? We already have two homogenized boxes, we don't need three.
You should defo call out idiots port begging when they do it. I just felt you dragged down the quality of discussion here for no reason which was a shame. But yeah, keep it real.I don't mean to sound rude I just give honesty whether people want it or not. I see way too much port begging on here, not just this thread, when it's simply not even feasible. To see people constantly doing this is kind of irritating, it's like they just can't accept that the platform cannot run these games.
You obviously don't need numbers to put your own colourful slant on something. I'd rather have more concrete information without a posters personal bias. That's not aimed at you specifically, I mean in general.So you need numbers to personally validate if its good or not? Seeing how these devs react and how they seem happy with those, I'd say they have a good reason to tweet these comments.
Anyway, the post from adropofvenom is what some Nintendo fans mean regarding third parties. While there are several fans going overboard about third parties (every Capcom on Switch thread), but some are done with the countless "maybe's", tests and trying to understand what the Switch market wants types of comments from a few key third parties. Although this time around, I believe we'll be getting more.
It's just not going to happen though.Because people want to play both Nintendo's games and third party games without paying for two systems?
I'll believe when I see it, but the trend is clear: japanese third parties pushing for western sales even if this means ignoring their home market leader.Pretty much what AdropOFvenom said.
SNES and DS are among the best systems ever because in addition to great first party content there was alot of amazing 3rdParty content. When people ask for 3rds to step up their game its usually about...wait why arent Mega Man Collection or Okami not coming to Switch ? Any chance of a great title ala Persona 5 coming to the system ? GTA V should be possible too right ? Bamco where is FighterZ, after XV2 sold amazing on Switch ?
At least on Era you dont really hear people asking for Anthem, RDR2 and co. on their Switch.
You are quite wrong about that.
/threadBecause people want to play both Nintendo's games and third party games without paying for two systems?
Developer statements are concrete information. It's becoming increasingly clear that isn't actually what you want though.You obviously don't need numbers to put your own colourful slant on something. I'd rather have more concrete information without a posters personal bias. That's not aimed at you specifically, I mean in general.
Looking at things like Disgaea 5, Puyo Puyo Tetris, Nights of Azure 2, etc, Japanese devs are getting better sales in the west on Switch generally too with multiplats. The "for the west" rationalization doesn't really work here, Switch isn't like 3DS or Vita.I'll believe when I see it, but the trend is clear: japanese third parties pushing for western sales even if this means ignoring their home market leader.
...and western sales or pushing for the gloabal market means ignoring the Switch ? How exactly when most Japanese games performed great on Switch thanks to global sales - see Disgaea 5.I'll believe when I see it, but the trend is clear: japanese third parties pushing for western sales even if this means ignoring their home market leader.
What is it I want? Please tell me.Developer statements are concrete information. It's becoming increasingly clear that isn't actually what you want though.
They'll still look at the biggest japanese games on PS4 (bigger than japanese third party sales on Switch) and aim for that.Looking at things like Disgaea 5, Puyo Puyo Tetris, Nights of Azure 2, etc, Japanese devs are getting better sales in the west on Switch generally too with multiplats. The "for the west" rationalization doesn't really work here, Switch isn't like 3DS or Vita.
Because it's still a small number in comparison to what other third party japanese games are making on PS4. Not saying all games have that potential, but almost everything skips Switch and I don't see that changing considering how much these companies care about being part of the "modern" western console industry, which Switch is so different from....and western sales or pushing for the gloabal market means ignoring the Switch ? How exactly when most Japanese games performed great on Switch thanks to global sales - see Disgaea 5.
Because people want to play both Nintendo's games and third party games without paying for two systems?
We're talking Nintendo here, particularly the Switch. You seriously expect 3rd party support on the level of a PS4 or XB1? I mean the Switch can't even run the most popular games on these platforms. (COD, PUBG, GTA, Fortnite)Yes it will. You're naive if you think that dedicated console platforms are going to last indefinitely. It simply doesn't make sense anymore, and only greed combined with consumer ignorance is propping up its corpse for the time being. All of these things: PCs, the Switch, the PS4, the Xbox One, are just computers. There's nothing novel about their hardware. People didn't accept having to buy two separate video players to watch movies, and it's only a matter of time before consumers get smart enough to not accept having to buy multiple hardware platforms to play game software when they already have computers coming out of their ears.
I mean it's fine to be pessimistic about Switch third party support but that's just hyperbole.Because it's still a small number in comparison to what other third party japanese games are making on PS4. Not saying all games have that potential, but almost everything skips Switch and I don't see that changing considering how much these companies care about being part of the "modern" western console industry, which Switch is so different from.
Actually, all of those may be possible, particularly Fortnite since its already running Unreal Engine 4, and the director has said he'd like to bring it to Switch.We're talking Nintendo here, particularly the Switch. You seriously expect 3rd party support on the level of a PS4 or XB1? I mean the Switch can't even run the most popular games on these platforms. (COD, PUBG, GTA, Fortnite)
They'll still look at the biggest japanese games on PS4 (bigger than japanese third party sales on Switch) and aim for that.
Because it's still a small number in comparison to what other third party japanese games are making on PS4. Not saying all games have that potential, but almost everything skips Switch and I don't see that changing considering how much these companies care about being part of the "modern" western console industry, which Switch is so different from.
It's really not. Most of the japanese third party games skip it and there's no actual big japanese tp release for the system yet.I mean it's fine to be pessimistic about Switch third party support but that's just hyperbole.
I'm not talking about ports only, but not even the ports it gets are relevant. Most announcements have no Switch version yet and I wouldn't trust this so much when these companies somehow had poor support even for the 3DS.The PS4 has been on the market for over 4 years and is nearing 80m console sold worldwide.. Expecting the Switch to have anywhere near that kind of support after less than a year of good performance coming from the WiiU is just crazy.
First you say that jpn devs/publishers are ignoring skipping on the domestic market...which would result in them ignoring the Switch - data tells us something different. Now its PS4 support or bust ? Thats not how it works - games that have been in development for 2-3 years and where to launch in 17/18 cant all just be ported to Switch with a button press. It takes time and resources...and often it makes more sense to just include the system for the next/upcoming title in a series.
You havent been paying attention alot of attention if you think jpn publishers are just going to ignore the Switch - KT, Bamco, Square Enix, Sega and co have different plans from what we have been hearing.
We're talking Nintendo here, particularly the Switch. You seriously expect 3rd party support on the level of a PS4 or XB1? I mean the Switch can't even run the most popular games on these platforms. (COD, PUBG, GTA, Fortnite)