Shame, because Echoes was quite an upgrade compared to Fates and Heroes. Still not perfect, but better than those two and 3 Houses.
Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream (READ OP)
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Agree.
We still need to see more of the female cast, and also the outfits of the classes, though. Still hoping we won't see female knights with no pants.
I just want to say how amazing Sheeva looks in MK11. I can't wait for her to become playable asuming the DLC datamine turns out to be accurate.
That is an U P G R A D E
Really happy with how NetherRealm Studios have been treating their female kast.
to be honest i kind of bounced off the series after mortal kombat 4, but is this the first time sheeva hasn't been Incredibly Horny
Why does she need a belly button window? Just...what?*when you've had a teacher fetish your whole life and finally get to design characters
This is the most notable redesign Sheeva has gotten since Armageddon. Sheeva has only had like, 2 designs IIRC
People say "anime" isn't an aesthetic or genre, but there are definitely some unique design trends in anime, manga, and adjacent media. You can take this design and plop it into anime, fantasy, Sci fi, space opera, modern day, whatever and it "fits" just as well/awkwardly in any of those settings. It doesn't make much sense anywhere, so it kinda fits in everywhere.*when you've had a teacher fetish your whole life and finally get to design characters
The new Sheeva design actually looks good, it's amazing how characters look better once the "horny for male" elements are zapped
exposed navels are the new exposed thighs
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It's because she breathes through her belly button. Obviously.
The navel is where the umbilical cord was attached. As such, exposing it symbolises her willingness to impart the vital lifeblood that is knowledge to her students, who she considers her children.
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this is honestly pretty similar to a non-sarcastic post someone made to defend pyra's design in xenoblade 2 (the same person noted they couldn't figure out what was going on with Rex's design, even though Rex, a Diver, is literally wearing an Old Timey Diving Suit and a Wet Suit)
On the topic of Kasumi and her outfit
I'm not sure what you have your minds on but the leotard is not supposed to be sexualized, at all. There's tons of characters who wear one, Raven for example. It's meant to look like gymnast attire. Also be thankful that the design could have actually been worse?
I'm not sure what you have your minds on but the leotard is not supposed to be sexualized, at all. There's tons of characters who wear one, Raven for example. It's meant to look like gymnast attire. Also be thankful that the design could have actually been worse?
And how does "gymnast" fit in with the rest of the gang's "classy thief motives"?
probs has something to do with the persona franchise's long and storied history of sexualizing teenage girls, and in the case of persona 4 and persona 5 royal, explicitly sexualizing the youngest party member the most
also it would probs be less sketchy if the character weren't also wearing high heeled thigh highs
It was the first thing to come to mind, but frankly I've seen enough weird yet genuine overanalysis to inspire some high-quality nonsense.
You've actually probably seen it already, but hell, it's always worth revisiting:
Ah, I just watch a lot of ProZD so unless you are specific I could think of a few that would fit here.
He's fucking solid gold. I sometimes rewatch them all and they're all still funny. This one is just so perfect in encapsulating the essence of anime (and videogame) fans, it belongs in a museum.
I really don't see what's wrong? I've seen Wonder Woman, She-Hulk, Cammy, Zatanna, and even Fortune from MGS2 has a strikingly similar design. Leotards aren't that hard to come by.I'm sorry what?? Just look at the design...
Is it...because she's underaged? Because yea, it looks weird.....but then again, there's Raven from Teen Titans.
In regards to Persona 5 I tried to make a quick mock up with the character art and 3D model:
With pants she's dressed too much in black for my liking so making her shoes red was a fitting change in my eyes which goes well with her red hair and red gloves, moreover in her school uniform she wears red shoes:
But by design she looks like a female MC version and Makoto is also dressed in all dark.
A redesign, additional elements or a stronger recolor would be necessary to make her appearance less similar to the others.
With pants she's dressed too much in black for my liking so making her shoes red was a fitting change in my eyes which goes well with her red hair and red gloves, moreover in her school uniform she wears red shoes:
But by design she looks like a female MC version and Makoto is also dressed in all dark.
A redesign, additional elements or a stronger recolor would be necessary to make her appearance less similar to the others.
My biggest issue with this is the fact they took Joker's outfit then ripped off the pants and gave her high heels ballet shoes (which is just stupid). All that because she is a girl.
Why is it that they must sexualize her outfit just because she is a girl (and under age to boot)?
Those are ALL extremely sexualized designs. Is your point, "other people do it so it's fine here?"
That's why shit has never changed.
Comic book design trends aimed towards children and basement dwellers from the 20th century isn't exactly the best standard for good women designs.
Idk. If you give Kasumi pants then she's too much like Joker or Makoto in aesthetic. If you emphasize the red theming too much then there's overlap with Ann. If she is legitimately a gymnast or ballet dancer as is somewhat implied by some of the dancing scenes we saw in the trailer, then it fits.
Now all of that might be an excuse for the devs to show more skin (like they designed the character's look first & then built her character around it perhaps?), but if it turns out she's a dancer then that leotard is pretty par for the course (experience: dated a dancer who did a lot of work making her own leotards).
I can understand people's concerns though of course, because well... Atlus...
Now all of that might be an excuse for the devs to show more skin (like they designed the character's look first & then built her character around it perhaps?), but if it turns out she's a dancer then that leotard is pretty par for the course (experience: dated a dancer who did a lot of work making her own leotards).
I can understand people's concerns though of course, because well... Atlus...
What, no, comic books? Surely you jest! Next you'll be telling me there's a part of the body called the waist!
"other people do it so it's fine here?"
I mean...
Ok, you clearly don't believe any women who say they find the design icky but then why is that the design for a "Phantom Thief"?
Keep in mind that we're talking about an outfit she wears in the Metaverse, a place that is created by people's minds. She could wear literally anything there, so saying that it's okay because she's a gymnast is really a Thermian argument.
I can't quite understand the sentiment these people have. Meaning those that want every female character possible to be sexualized officially. Like there's no shortage of that art literally everywhere else. It doesn't need to be in "canon" as well.
Interesting such a large proportion of the primary female characters in Persona 5 are sexualized. Thankfully this means that they're simply exploring and grappling with their newly-discovered sexuality and not an obvious signifier that the directors at Atlus have reductive and misogynistic attitudes towards women!
Like, could you imagine if the director of the game thought that men and women were fundamentally incapable of platonic interaction?
When you can't or don;t want to respond to any points just accuse people of being biased against the devs. Nice.
I'm mad this thread went two pages entertaining dumbass baiting
Wouldn't be me tho, I know creatures when I see 'em
The fact that I still stand by my point and went on to guess that it's simply a reason why the design is hated means nothing.
What points? I just showed an irl image of a girl in leotard in response to "other people do it so it's fine". Are you saying having real people wear leotards is ok but having fictional characters in leotards isn't?
I'm getting banned from this aren't I
Mods, any of you reading this, I'm giving you permission to do so. It's been fun. To be fair, you all brought up good points and I was just sitting there like a dumbass trying to normalize the situation.
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Context? The exasperation over watching women characters always in outfit the show skin no matter what even though almost all of the thieves are in full-body multi-layered costumes? Yes, a gymnast doing gymnastics is wearing a leotard. That doesn't prove anything on why people are annoyed by it.
Edit: Well, it seems like the troll is trying to take the "high ground" now. *yawn*
Such as the post I made earlier where I specified a big problem I had was not the design on it's own (Granted I'm admittedly not a fan of it), but rather the way it's presented in game like that screenshot and the other poster that mentioned their dislike of it due to how it's so similar to Joker but with bits of clothing removed.
What's worse is that you need to be sounded off before you get your eventual ban
Like when I get banned I'm not gonna say SHIT. and I know who's gonna pull the trigger. this is all pre-mediated and I'm not scared of a goddamn thing. I wish you could say the same about yourself
Like when I get banned I'm not gonna say SHIT. and I know who's gonna pull the trigger. this is all pre-mediated and I'm not scared of a goddamn thing. I wish you could say the same about yourself
In all honestly, I rather have it coming than just straight up out of the blue.
Yea, that was me. Fuck myselfSometimes it really does feel like this.
Sometimes it really does feel like this.
Just saw Captain Marvel a few days ago and this is my new favorite thing.
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