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Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream (READ OP)
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Holy crap. Yes cause the most important thing after a battle for your lives is jiggle envy.
Honestly I've played multiple Tales games and bounced off a lot of them, I bought Vesperia on sale not long ago as a friend said it was the best in the series and that is not really encouraging. The only one I've ever finished actually was Xillia and that's mostly because I loved Judes martial arts combat, even then it had some weird stuff with the young girl character and her talking doll going on about breasts as bazongas all the time..
I fail to see why Chihiro in Danganronpa is considered trans phobic though ?
The entire point of him pretending to be a girl is a direct result of him being the subject of harassment and bullying due to him having a frail Physique .
This constant bullying lead to him developing an inferiority complex .
In order to escape said bullying, he began to dress as a girl to act as a shield so that people wouldn't bully him as a "weak boy" .
problem is this only served to worsen his complex, as it was not addressing the root of his problems, and if by that point the truth came out he would very likely be bullied even harder .
This constant bullying lead to him developing an inferiority complex .
In order to escape said bullying, he began to dress as a girl to act as a shield so that people wouldn't bully him as a "weak boy" .
problem is this only served to worsen his complex, as it was not addressing the root of his problems, and if by that point the truth came out he would very likely be bullied even harder .
Besides all the problems with the spoiler part, the result (and part of the spoilers) is basically a transphobic dream of what a trans person is.
Dorothy from Va-11Hall-a is kind of in a weird spot. On one hand, she's a rare example of a sex-positive sex worker that owns her sexuality and her job. On the other hand, she's has a child-like body and often acts like one. I'm not exactly sure how to think of her.
Yeah, I've had a mixed history with Tales in that I've only been able to finish one out of the other three I've played (Hearts, Abyss, Symphonia). I picked up this one after reading a lot about Yuri being this great JRPG protagonist, and sure, I like him a lot more than most JRPG leads. It's just a shame about the rest of the cliches that I've seen dozens of times elsewhere. Fire mage has a fiery personality? Healer is a teenage royal that has never left the city and is both a walking saint and so naive about everything it hurts? Kids that act like kids one minute then adults with twenty years of experience in melee combat the next? Fanservice character that has every other conversation revolve around her outfit? Thirty-something guy is referred to and refers to himself constantly as 'old man'? Evil empire abusing magic, lifegiving world tree with connection to raging monsters, I'm kinda going through the motions here.
The problem with Japanese media is that there is always some underlying issue that has these people dress up as the opposite sex, that if addressed, would have them return to their actual self. This instance is no different. But that's not what being trans is. Trans people simply feel they should be or are of the opposite sex.
It seems like the creator wanted to make a child-like character that wants to have sex.
And this is why they do it. Because not only do they get game sales/merch sales from people that do like that stuff and people that don't care either way... They also get sales from people that have a problem with it. I was ready to buy that game for the Switch until I looked into it more and figured out that it had typical Japanese fanservice nonsense. After I saw that I cancelled my Amazon order. There is no reason why they shouldn't add that stuff if their sales won't ever take a hit.
Freaking thank you. People really need to stop being fooled by the fake representation in a lot of their media. Anime, games, etc and such might have a lot of trans characters but they are almost always portrayed negatively. Same with little people.
Sure. That stuff front and centre in the marketing (and the subsequent discussions) was definitely what stopped me buying Xenoblade 2. Unfortunately it then went on to sell more than the previous ones, so I'm guessing the buying power of the fans of that stuff is very strong.
That's not exactly the case with Chihiro.
He was a commentary on a rather recent trend in Japan called Otoko no ko.
In general, it's used to refer to male crossdressers, but the term originally was used to refer to men who dressed as women to be treated like women are.
In Japan, the gender expectations and norms are a lot more rigid than in a lot of Western countries. It goes beyond just "you gotta act tough if you're a guy". For example, it's seen as girlish to eat cake, and some cafes literally will not sell you cake if you're a guy. Which becomes a typical trope where a guy takes his girlfriend out to a cafe and have her order the cake while he eats it.
Chihiro is a pretty clear case of Otoko no ko, because he chose to dress and present as a girl not because he thought he was a girl in a boy's body, but because he felt like he couldn't live up to a boy's standards.
Might this be seen as transphobic? Yeah, but it wasn't the writer intention.
EDIT: I hope this doesn't come as transphobic. I was just trying to explain Kodaka's POV.
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Tweet with link to an article with an interview of the creator of Japanese game One Night, Hot Springs (you can get it for free here). Deals with LGBT+ representation in Japan.
https://twitter.com/the_owl_site/status/1126201281331306497
Also has this discussion that should be posted at the top of every thread on resetera dealing with social issues, especially regarding Japan:
https://twitter.com/the_owl_site/status/1126201281331306497
Also has this discussion that should be posted at the top of every thread on resetera dealing with social issues, especially regarding Japan:
Interesting! I'll run it by my fiance to see what she thinks if the topic ever comes up. I'm aware of otokonoko, but I've never really thought of them as something outside of modeling and drag shows (and doujin, of course.)
I'm validated! 🎉
Not really the impression I get from Dorothy, and it's not as if the design itself is somehow promoting that.
I looked at one of Tera Online's high tier female armors and... I think I bingo'ed the entire card.
I might not have painted the best picture there. Design wise Dorothy is not sexualized, and when she's talking normally she's a mature woman that talks about sex openly. Also she's an android which makes it a little easier to accept. Maybe I'm just more leniant because it's so fucking rare to even acknowledge sex work in media that I'll accept even a pretty reasonable depiction of it.
Dorothy's definitely an interesting and dystopian depiction of sex work, though I think it's done with more than a tinge of irony given that it's not uncommon to see sex workers in the real world receive far worse. In many ways most of the characters in VA-11 Hall-A are call outs, allegory to modern day issues that are themselves simply repeated in a cyberpunk bar with the trappings of a reality that is only slightly removed from our own. Much more Ghost in the Shell than Fifth Element. The fact that there is a muted horror underlies the problems with the present state of sex work, and the general state of how women are treated more broadly. But VA-11 Hall-A also presents how people are treated as entirely disposable and their bodies become part of that same disposable system, exemplified by crunch and newly vetted hyper-connected media, where stress and fatigue are the fault of the worker and not the system enabling and encouraging it.
Cagliostro is an old man who got transferred into a young girls body over time Cagliostro disassociates with their old identity more and more and accepts themselves as a girl to the degree they hate when masculine terms are used for them as that's no longer who she is. This is the opposite of what you think it is.
This is sounding EXACTLY what I think it is. Maybe a little worst
Ah, yes, the not at all transphobic hyper masculine trans trope so common in Japanese media.
'You are what your body is' is not a transphobic idea to you?
'You are what your body is' is not a transphobic idea to you?
It's showing two different approaches to it. The message literally is don't let your body dictate who you are and identify as. Not you are what your body is.
by using a 80 yeard old dragon and the transphobic idea of a trans woman?
If that is the idea they are pretty bad at it and are showing that you should not change what you were given while saying dysphoria does not exist.
This isn't entirely accurate. The lore background for Cagliostro is that she was a sickly boy in the past and developed alchemy to try and cure her sickness. She does this by making a new body from scratch and then transferring her consciousness over to it. She basically made her ideal body.
Ladiva on the other hand? Yeah, not a fan.
They don't say this either, that's just Lav's view on it, where Cagliostro is happier after the change.
"Alike and yet unlike, unlike and yet alike, the pair forge a bond of friendship sure to last till the end of time."
Is the closing line of that event
You literally said that a person with power to change a person's body "got transferred into a young girl's body" and choose not to change back. They are both happy and without dysphoria in a body they should not be by your own words.
Not only that but Ladiva did everything she could to maker her body even more manly.
But Nana&Popo's version is just a common transphobe trope of "if a man says he is a 5 year old girl" version. Which is super creepy
As a trans women myself I dont find cagliostro to be very transphobic. However, the fact that she chooses to still be a little girl after all this time is very creepy. It makes since that she choose that body when she first came up with the method as she was just a kid then too, but after all this time? No, now you're just courting lolicon crowd and that's not a good look at all.
However, I do kind of see where you're coming from.
However, I do kind of see where you're coming from.
Clevage, pose that gives focus on [sexual thing] and inner tights.
One could also add "boob sock" but vacuum sealed clothing it is a more common trope with muscular characters
Butterfly Soup (comedy about gay teens and baseball)
We Know the Devil (horror-ish (not very scary but great atmo) teens at Christian summer camp dealing with the devil/queerness)
Air Pressure ("romance"
self-harm
All western.
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So I didn't realize Cagliostro was transgender till this post (and thinking back on how many trans people I follow who love her it makes a lot more sense).
To a degree I see it similar to Tanya from The Saga of Tanya the Evil where their new body was female. In case of Cagliostro it was little more of their choice. Granblue, while leaning to progressive, has problematic elements remembering one side story where the villain was abusive to her female underling yet the underling still took it cause they were that much in love with them.
Also here my husband, Percival.
To a degree I see it similar to Tanya from The Saga of Tanya the Evil where their new body was female. In case of Cagliostro it was little more of their choice. Granblue, while leaning to progressive, has problematic elements remembering one side story where the villain was abusive to her female underling yet the underling still took it cause they were that much in love with them.
Also here my husband, Percival.
Thinking about the Final Fantasy VII remake, and how they've intentionally left Tifa for a later reveal. I really hope they've changed her outfit! It's a dumb, DUMB ensemble for anyone to wear! I know people would be expecting to see it though, so include it when she's tending bar (where it sort of makes sense), and then have her change into something more appropriate when she heads off for adventure.
Her "traditional" outfit didn't aged well, especially with modern high resolution graphics. Something like her Kingdom Hearts outfit would be better though:
I've been hearing about Tifa since Dissisia NT. And all I see now is what I've seen since the beginning: people always concerned about how she'll look. And by concern I mean "If the SJW ruin her boobs then I'm not buying the game." So it will be awful no matter what happens.
And Tifa at one point was going to have pants. From the wiki:
And Tifa at one point was going to have pants. From the wiki:
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