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Woman attempts to steal package, instant betrayal and swift justice
- Thread starter MThanded
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I waited at home all day for my iPhone X to be delivered. The UPS guy left it on the doorstep, didn't knock, didn't ring the doorbell, and didn't even mark it as delivered. I just happened to notice it was there when I went out front to get something from my car. $1000 just sitting on my doorstep, in a marked T-Mobile box.
I'm surprised people are defending the thief. Package thieves ae usually day to day hustlers who resell this shit on Ebay, or Graigslist. I know because I've got a lot of Hustlers in my family who've done the same, but have suceeded. But they'll get caught. For the little shit, and big business scams.
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The big "crime spree" that tends to happen in my country ass neighborhood is thieves driving around opening unlocked cars and taking what's in the coin tray.
Racking up 20 counts of burglary for a nights work where they earn $6.43 cents in nickels and pennies. Stealing packages on the 5% chance you'll score an MacBook or iPhone is like oceans 11 in comparison
I mean it on the side of the home owner, why run a thief down in this day and age when everyone is possibly packing?>
Why do you think I'm saying theft is ok? I'm just saying the it seems like an overreaction when sorting a replacement is usually a two minute email to amazon. Yes it's a minor inconvenience, but personally I'd prefer that to having to go down to the sorting office on my day off or on my lunch break.
Lasership is notorious for doing that crap. You wouldn't know if your package arrived at all when they ship things. They don't even ring the doorbell for packages worth over $600...
You really don't put nazis/alt right on the same scale as thieves do you?
wtf is this? It's now fascism when people protect their property? Where is the psychotic violence on display in this video? Did we watch the same thing?
She performed a citizen's arrest while using reasonable force, this is legal.
"Glorious Consumerism"....If some asshole was trying to steal my property, something I worked hard to obtain, I'm going to utilize my powers of arrest and hold them down until the authorities arrive.
This reminded me of that thread on Gaf about the one Canadian house, lived in by the badass, who's cameras caught multiple car accidents, robbery attempts, crazy animals and said owner running out of his house to confront crime practically every day. Someone please link me to it I can find it
The fascism is the cheering on of violence in this thread. The modern day bread and circuses if you will--the joy in watching brutality, and being a slave to such savage desires.
I'm not defending the thief--only lamenting that people are cheering on violence and relishing for more blood. Human beings really are barely better than animals, it seems.
I don't think you know what fascism is.
Good job on trying (and failing spectacularly miserably) at sounding superior or smart though.
You think petty theft and being a militant bigot are equally bad?
I didn't say that, and bye bitch.
Good. It's hilarious how she tried to play victim as soon as she got caught. What a scumbag.
Haha you people are beyond a parody of yourselves at this point.
I caught someone stealing my yard tools once. It wasn't pretty. If you had asked me beforehand how I would react to finding a thief in my yard, I'd have given you a different asnwer than how I actually reacted. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. I've also crept outside in my yard at night, in my skivvies to confront "burglars" (raccoons almost every time) with knives and hammers and baseball bats. Folks saying they'd be calm and try to reason with the person are either delusional or don't know what they'd really do.
Still seems dumb to me, and underplaying the consequences of theft.
Not sure where you're from, but in the UK if the driver cannot leave it securely then they take it back to the sorting office, but you can just reschedule a delivery online.
That hot af image aside, absolutely. Might as well suggest offering them a cup of tea and some career advice as well.
Let's be adults here, and try to refrain from publically announcing that you are ignoring someone, or responding with childish retorts when you are ignored.
How is a lack of self reflection and or the unwillingness to change not a mechanism here? Because it doesn't fit in with your perspective and or contradicts your whole "society is a fault" argument? Self change isn't a spell one casts on their selves to change, it's a long and often time difficult process that requires dedication and self awareness to do so. You said earlier that you aren't defending her but it's clear that you are. You went out of your way to make the thief the victim here and you are arguing the complete removal of responsibility from her and placing the blame onto forum users, society and her environmental/genetic make up.
You're absolving her of accountability and you're shaming other posters because they sympathize with the nanny and not the thief.
The repeat offenses does matter, because it's an indication of repeating behaviour patterns and can indicate her MO. It's extremely important informative when you're analyzing her case and trying to determine why she does the things she does and how to proceed forward with rehab. It's could also provide an indication of a lack of self growth and reflection (that you adamantly deny), a problem with the system or both. No therapy group, no social program can force the individual to have the will/need/want/change to do so. When the tools are provided but the the person refuses to use them, who's fault is that? That is on them and that is the reality.
This is horseshit and painting with an incredibly board brush. You ask me to take a look in the mirror and reflect if it's X and Y that is responsible for my standing in life, and when I tell you it isn't, you proceed to tell me I'm wrong because it doesn't coincide with your argument.
Aspects of my genetics and my environments may have helped shape me but at the end of the day, when faced with a critical life altering choice, ultimately I am responsible for the choice I make in response to that situation.
"We could have all end up as criminals" or whatever you said in another post. This is true, especially for me, because had I not decided to make changes to my life, reflect and better myself I would have been on a much darker path. This wasn't because of my genetics and it wasn't my environment/family/media/friends, it was because I wanted to change so I could better myself. I realize this is anecdotal, but when you pose the hypothetical that "we could all have been criminals", that hypothetical is very real to me and that was my experience.
So please, don't sit there and tell me I'm not responsible for my choices in life. It's insulting and destroys both the accomplishments that I've earned for myself and denies me of the failures I had to endure that strengthened my resolve to better myself.
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This thread truly is amazing.
On the totem pole of criminality petty thievery is near the bottom rung, right above "shoplifting" and "jaywalking" and below "robbery" and "mugging". And yet even with it being so relatively benign, so many people find it trivial to completely write her off as a lost cause.
It drives me bonkers.
This is on top of her obviously being a victim of drug abuse (and let me be clear: all drug abusers are victims) in need of rehabilitation, and yet somehow people are using that as an excuse to write her off further? The hell is that? Reminds me of people saying shit like "just stop thinking bad thoughts!" and other similarly toothless responses to people in the throes of clinical depression or other mental illnesses that you can't simply "will" away. Yes, she committed a crime, but so fucking what? If she got proper treatment she would not have committed the crime in the first place!
Ugh, my head hurts. I can't keep up with this. I just can't.
I guess I'll just leave this here again. Maybe some folks can get something out of it. Gods know I don't have the patience to keep coming in here to read the rampant callousness on display over and over again.
On the totem pole of criminality petty thievery is near the bottom rung, right above "shoplifting" and "jaywalking" and below "robbery" and "mugging". And yet even with it being so relatively benign, so many people find it trivial to completely write her off as a lost cause.
It drives me bonkers.
This is on top of her obviously being a victim of drug abuse (and let me be clear: all drug abusers are victims) in need of rehabilitation, and yet somehow people are using that as an excuse to write her off further? The hell is that? Reminds me of people saying shit like "just stop thinking bad thoughts!" and other similarly toothless responses to people in the throes of clinical depression or other mental illnesses that you can't simply "will" away. Yes, she committed a crime, but so fucking what? If she got proper treatment she would not have committed the crime in the first place!
Ugh, my head hurts. I can't keep up with this. I just can't.
I guess I'll just leave this here again. Maybe some folks can get something out of it. Gods know I don't have the patience to keep coming in here to read the rampant callousness on display over and over again.
This user was warned for backseat moderating.
I've been talking from experience, so no. Nice, mature assumptions though.
All the shitposting and bad-faith posts itt and this is what you speak up about?
If you have issues with how this forum is being moderated, please PM myself and Methuselah, and we'll be happy to discuss your concerns.
I guess we should just absolve all theft then, and not take into account the people who work hard for what they can own and the value it has for them.
Y'know what hurts my head? When people like you refuse to acknowledge that perhaps there's more to the issue here than just society's failings. It also hurts my head when you ask me a question about what makes me who I am, and what defines my choices in life, and when I tell you, I'm wrong when my answer doesn't conform to your argument.
Thanks for skipping out.
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Yeah, I'm sure the house with security cameras and a fucking nanny were going to break the bank if they didn't recover this package.
Would you apply your asinine logic to someone that didn't have the same luxuries?
Their status is inconsequential. that is their property they have a right to protect it, it's in the law.
Okay, Robin Hood.
So what, as in, she committed a crime and is taking someone's property. It could be a package of baby stuff, an heirloom of importance, or an expensive TV you spent your hard-earned money on. It's wrong. I'm not going to call her the scum of the Earth and not take into consideration possible societal issues that could have put her in that position to steal, but she is still a degenerate that needs to be detained, and I'm all for someone using the appropriate force necessary to see to that. The nanny was in the right, and I applaud her for her actions.
Now ideally, I'd agree that detainment should lead to rehabilitation for her own good to better herself, not lock her away as a lost cause. However, that is a much greater issue with the American prison system. It's unfortunate it's like that, but alternatively, I still do not think it's right to let criminals run a muck, even thieves. The attitude of "so what" isn't the answer either.
UPS and Fedex will be glad to let you pick up the parcel at the distribution center, but for me that's about 45 minute drive from my house, so accounting for any traffic and such I'd need to have 2 extra hours to go get my package.
They also offer paid services where you can pay an extra $5 or something to have the package delivered to spots around the city to make it more convenient. I think UPS lets customers pay an annual membership of like $60 and they get that service "free" a few times per year, then paid after.
I work from home and have practically begged my delivery people to knock or ring the doorbell when they put stuff on my porch, but usually I see an e-mail that something was delivered.. or I just check once in a while.
Edit: USPS left a package for me last week on the sidewalk in front of my house. It was like 12 inches from the street, but like 30 feet from my porch.
Holy shit this thread is still going? And people have brought up Fascism now? Wanting a thief (repeat offender who's been arrested about 20 times) locked up to learn a lesson isn't advocating for violence! (Edit: at least in my case. Lock her the fuck up for stealing, but beating her up isn't necessary) If we start letting shit like this slide then who's to say more people won't start hustling by flipping unattended packages? I really wish I lived in the same kind of happyland you guys defending the thief seem to live in, and yes, you are defending the thief.
