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Worse Reboot- Tomb Raider or Devil May Cry?
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Devil May Cry's reboot never even got a sequel, whereas Tomb Raider's got two.
While I personally can't stand Nu-Lara or the general tone or writing of the reboot TR series, the games were at least successful enough to stick around this long. DmC couldn't even manage a single follow-up before Capcom panicked and went back to the OG series.
While I personally can't stand Nu-Lara or the general tone or writing of the reboot TR series, the games were at least successful enough to stick around this long. DmC couldn't even manage a single follow-up before Capcom panicked and went back to the OG series.
DmC
I don't care if it was good in it's own right, I still found it to be offensive in many ways I still wish it did not exist. =)
I don't care if it was good in it's own right, I still found it to be offensive in many ways I still wish it did not exist. =)
Tomb Raider 2013 and DmC were both good games though OP.
Even me who does not consider DmC a DMC game recognizes that.
Even me who does not consider DmC a DMC game recognizes that.
The entire premise of the thread is strange as both are great.
DmC is probably the better of the two though.
DmC is probably the better of the two though.
I don't think either of them are bad, but if I could only play one or the other, I'd pick DmC over Tomb Raider every time.
Tomb Raider 2013 was really good. Unfortunately I feel the trilogy veered miles off track by leaning too much into open world bloat and a weird, tonally-bizarre focus on violence. The Lara orgasm sounds also increasingly became a problem, to the point where I had to switch to headphones when playing SOTTR because my wife thought I was watching porn.
The violence is the thing that bugs me the most about the nu-TR games. When I think Tomb Raider, I don't think "Lara Croft jamming a climbing axe into people's spinal columns six hundred times", yet apparently that's Crystal Dynamics' vision for the series nowadays...?
They're both good mechanically but DmC is awful at everything else. Tomb Raider is just kind of bland.
Outside of Era or fan forums, the reboot TR games weren't controversial at all.
DmC was great.
Tomb Raider was a good idea with some really bland execution. But even then, it's plenty competent.
Tomb Raider was a good idea with some really bland execution. But even then, it's plenty competent.
But the difference was mostly fan reaction.
A big part of Tomb Raider's success came from people who didn't like the old games, so that's not a good sign for being a good reboot.
DmC was a proper hack and slash game in the same vein as previous Devil May Cry titles.
Tomb Raider was a violent shooter that had little in common with previous games.
Tomb Raider was a violent shooter that had little in common with previous games.
DmC was like an experiment to find out what would happen if you took the exceptional gameplay and endearing self-aware goofiness of the series and let a tasteless and unqualified studio do their own take on it.
Predictably, it's a nasty stupid mess full of laughably inept design and writing, and shockingly subpar gameplay. Everything from the animation to the sound design is inferior.
That the so-called Definitive Edition was remedial rather than supplementary like past DMC special editions says a lot.
Trick question. It's the part where Vergil talks to his brother about his penis.
Predictably, it's a nasty stupid mess full of laughably inept design and writing, and shockingly subpar gameplay. Everything from the animation to the sound design is inferior.
That the so-called Definitive Edition was remedial rather than supplementary like past DMC special editions says a lot.
Which was greater: the sniper rifle abortion, or the limp attacks that ape classic DMC combos without conveying anything close to the same force or dynamic feedback?
Trick question. It's the part where Vergil talks to his brother about his penis.
In the same vein the same way Spam is in the same vein as Kobe beef.
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The TR reboot was not controversial at all. It was a very highly rated game by both critics and users and ended up being the best selling TR game. Rise was also similiarly well received.
TR certainly was controversial. They changed a platforming series into a third person shooter and came up with an even worse story and characterization for Lara than their previous reboot with Lara having to get trapped on murder rape island and hating tombs to "become the tomb raider". Ther was also the comments from the devs about wanting players to "want to protect Lara." Third person shooting and cinematic setpieces are just super popular so the people that prefer platforming got drowned out.
I didn't even know people hated the Tomb Raider reboot. The death uh...scenes were absolutely someone's fetish but that's was all I heard about.
The DmC reboot was only controversial because gamer nerds and journalist nerds wanted to be right about video games. People that wanted DMC just didn't play it and people that didn't care enjoyed it. I didn't play it because it wasn't the game I wanted.
The DmC reboot was only controversial because gamer nerds and journalist nerds wanted to be right about video games. People that wanted DMC just didn't play it and people that didn't care enjoyed it. I didn't play it because it wasn't the game I wanted.
And all it took was the devs pointedly mocking fans over several months and talking a big game only to deliver a product full of amateurish issues that the series never had before, DMC2 aside.
When the designers don't even know basic stuff like how to give enemies proper visual and sound cues for each attack, or that enemies with visible weapons on their bodies should actually use them, because form follows function, you've got a problem.
Imagine giving the premier stylish action series of its time to people who had never before made an action game with better combat than Heavenly Sword. Mind boggling.
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DmC is worst, not because of gameplay, but because the developer when out of their way to make fun of the original DMC while being homophobic.
Like both a lot, but I would've rather had DmC sequels tbh. Lara's fixation with "daddy" is insufferable throughout the trilogy.
Tomb Raider supercedes TLOU as one of the best AAA action packages of its year and DmC is the series at its most generally evocative in my opinion, so I have to decry the insinuation that they are poor reboots... but out of those two, Tomb Raider. At least DmC's story is full of enjoyable and meaningful schlock. Tomb Raider was a mess in that regard, even with noble intent in tow.
Controversy maybe in a small part of the core hardcore TR fanbase, but on the large scale of things, it was one of the most beloved games of 2013.
Fact is, the mid 2000's trilogy had poor sales and the series was clearly running out of steam, and TR was becoming irrelevant.
TR2013 brought the series back from a huge slumber and made the franchise mainstream again.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/203160/Tomb_Raider/
https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/tomb-raider
Meanwhile this is how the last "classic" TR did:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/8140/Tomb_Raider_Underworld/
https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/tomb-raider-underworld
I'm gonna go with DmC. There's a reason we never got a sequel.
Tomb Raider, as unremarkable as it is, is slightly better.
Tomb Raider, as unremarkable as it is, is slightly better.
None of the Crystal Dynamics games are "classic". They've always focused too hard on action and setpieces. The second reboot double down.
Never played DmC, but TR2013 is the best the series has been since the PS1. Angel of Darkness was crap, Legend and Underworld were fine but actually signaled the move to more automated gameplay and linear setpiece driven levels before the reboot trilogy. The series has actually improved upon those games significantly with better gameplay all around.
And the stories were still garbage. The PS1 games may be in-offensive with their narratives, but god Legend/Underworld were the lowest points for stories in the series.
And the stories were still garbage. The PS1 games may be in-offensive with their narratives, but god Legend/Underworld were the lowest points for stories in the series.