She'll open a portal to the Gargoyles universe and bring Demona in. Then they'll high five over fucking up peace talks for years
She'll open a portal to the Gargoyles universe and bring Demona in. Then they'll high five over fucking up peace talks for years
Every time someone gives me logical reasons to like Cyclops
Mutant persecution in the Marvel Universe was always an interesting concept but it never made a ton of sense to me in relation to the rest of the world. You got people high fiving Spider-Man on their way to an anti-mutant rally. Would anyone ever really know or care for the difference between a mutant and an enhanced human? Then you factor in the Inhumans and you start to wonder how anyone ever knows the difference.
Racism isn't logical.Mutant persecution in the Marvel Universe was always an interesting concept but it never made a ton of sense to me in relation to the rest of the world. You got people high fiving Spider-Man on their way to an anti-mutant rally. Would anyone ever really know or care for the difference between a mutant and an enhanced human? Then you factor in the Inhumans and you start to wonder how anyone ever knows the difference.
I think it's also important to include the context of X-Force #8 when talking about The Crucible.
Colossus and Domino both have been through some extremely traumatic events recently in the pursuit of protecting Krakoa and mutant kind. X-Force #8 finds them discussing Colossus bringing up the possibility of just letting themselves drown and return without that trauma.
The victims of M-Day, all one million of them are no less traumatized psychologically and physiologically than these two. Many, not all but many, of them are having exactly these kinds of conversations. Considerations.
The Crucible is another option. One that lets them take some control. Make a choice that's in their hands the whole way through. To die on their feet fighting for their right to return restored. To regain what was stolen from them. Instead of dying lonely and afraid after doing something irrevocable out of a sense of powerlessness.
Everyone shit's on Spider-Man.Every time someone gives me logical reasons to like Cyclops
Mutant persecution in the Marvel Universe was always an interesting concept but it never made a ton of sense to me in relation to the rest of the world. You got people high fiving Spider-Man on their way to an anti-mutant rally. Would anyone ever really know or care for the difference between a mutant and an enhanced human?
Every time someone gives me logical reasons to like Cyclops
Mutant persecution in the Marvel Universe was always an interesting concept but it never made a ton of sense to me in relation to the rest of the world. You got people high fiving Spider-Man on their way to an anti-mutant rally. Would anyone ever really know or care for the difference between a mutant and an enhanced human? Then you factor in the Inhumans and you start to wonder how anyone ever knows the difference.
Mutant persecution in the Marvel Universe was always an interesting concept but it never made a ton of sense to me in relation to the rest of the world. You got people high fiving Spider-Man on their way to an anti-mutant rally. Would anyone ever really know or care for the difference between a mutant and an enhanced human? Then you factor in the Inhumans and you start to wonder how anyone ever knows the difference.
I've never understood why people try to rationalize racism, lol.
I should clarify that I get what they're trying to say with mutants, and I get why anti-mutant sentiment exists, and that's not what I'm askingIt's always been about fear and evolution. People like Spiderman, the FF, Hulk, etc. got their powers in freak accidents that can't be replicated. Mutants can be born from any human and are the next step in evolution. Humans are afraid of being replaced at the end of the day. Back in the mutant boom in Morrison's run, Beast said that humans would be extinct within 5 generations.
Having not read the comics, I'm a bit confused.
How is this really that fucked if the same soul and not a clone is coming out on the other side? I mean yeah they die, but they come back akin. What are the stakes? Am I misunderstanding something? Is the moral quandary whether or not they can get more powers or not?
Question: Does the mutant need to die to become a mutant again?
thats actually one of the questions raised here, its totally unknown if a mutants soul is kept in the transfer.Having not read the comics, I'm a bit confused.
How is this really that fucked if the same soul and not a clone is coming out on the other side? I mean yeah they die, but they come back akin. What are the stakes? Am I misunderstanding something? Is the moral quandary whether or not they can get more powers or not?
Got it. That makes the Crucible make a bit more sense.They don't have a way to restore powers, unless it's from absolute scratch, pretty much.
I think it's also important to include the context of X-Force #8 when talking about The Crucible.
Colossus and Domino both have been through some extremely traumatic events recently in the pursuit of protecting Krakoa and mutant kind. X-Force #8 finds them discussing Colossus bringing up the possibility of just letting themselves drown and return without that trauma.
The victims of M-Day, all one million of them are no less traumatized psychologically and physiologically than these two. Many, not all but many, of them are having exactly these kinds of conversations. Considerations.
The Crucible is another option. One that lets them take some control. Make a choice that's in their hands the whole way through. To die on their feet fighting for their right to return restored. To regain what was stolen from them. Instead of dying lonely and afraid after doing something irrevocable out of a sense of powerlessness.
There's a whole host of avenues and politics behind it. The morality is, do you bring them back as they died, or remove that trauma? If you remove that trauma, are they the same person? What happens if you revive them and it turns out that they weren't actually dead? What about existing clones of living mutants (Wolverine, Magneto, and Apocalypse all have clones currently running around, for example), are they subject to revival?Having not read the comics, I'm a bit confused.
How is this really that fucked if the same soul and not a clone is coming out on the other side? I mean yeah they die, but they come back akin. What are the stakes? Am I misunderstanding something? Is the moral quandary whether or not they can get more powers or not?
I should clarify that I get what they're trying to say with mutants, and I get why anti-mutant sentiment exists, and that's not what I'm asking
But how do the PUBLIC know the difference between mutants and not? With that Spider-Man instance for example. Peter's incident isn't common knowledge. For all they know he's totally a mutant. For all they know a LOT of superheroes are mutants because their backstories aren't common knowledge.
If I was walking down the street in the Marvel universe and I phased through a wall, what would you assume I was? Mutant, enhanced human, Inhuman, alien, robot, robot alien, or human with tech?
Yeah, this was the main thing I was thinking. It seems like a lot of extra pain for... What? These people did nothing wrong, why do they have to prove themselves?That, and telling a teenager that she has to have a deathmatch against one of the strongest people on Earth to get her powers back when any one of the telepaths could mentally sedate her, Wolverine could stab her in the head, and she could be revived without being abused is kind of fucked.
Yeah, this was the main thing I was thinking. It seems like a lot of extra pain for... What? These people did nothing wrong, why do they have to prove themselves?
So effectively they don't until they're told and they figure it out that waySpiderman has earned his trust from the public and he himself was persecuted for a long time. The X-Men have always said they were mutants and never shied away from it, but there were moments when mutants existed on other super teams and didn't get backlash, like Justice or Firestar. It's just branding. Hell, the original X-Factor team was 5 mutants who pretended to be mutant hunters and they were insanely popular with the public.
To quote myselfIt seems like a lot of extra pain for... What? These people did nothing wrong, why do they have to prove themselves?
Would you prefer they just line up to be impaled, or hung, or shot, or killed in some way where they are sufficiently helpless to make it seem less like a choice they have made and more like an execution? Or would it be better if they took matters into their own hands privately?
See what happens to folks passing as white when white folks find out they have a non-white parent.So effectively they don't until they're told and they figure it out that way
They have to build up the new nation as a cult. Given all the ways their plan has failed in the past (10 times), and them having the knowledge in how things have turned out, some cult like social engineering is going to be needed for the foundation so shit doesn't fall apart from that many egos.Yeah, this was the main thing I was thinking. It seems like a lot of extra pain for... What? These people did nothing wrong, why do they have to prove themselves?
The other option is to have them undergo therapy, use the same genetic samples that they would use for the regeneration process in the first place, and then do some Weapon Plus shit to genetically modify them to have powers back. 1:1 gene implanting doesn't work per all of the M-Day fallout stuff, but designer superhumans are already a thing, so there's no reason why they couldn't give someone who had wings a different kind of marginally different wings.
The other option is to have them undergo therapy, use the same genetic samples that they would use for the regeneration process in the first place, and then do some Weapon Plus shit to genetically modify them to have powers back. 1:1 gene implanting doesn't work per all of the M-Day fallout stuff, but designer superhumans are already a thing, so there's no reason why they couldn't give someone who had wings a different kind of marginally different wings.
But I guess they wouldn't be mutant mutants.
See what happens to folks passing as white when white folks find out they have a non-white parent.
They wouldn't be able to pass through the gates unaided, but I don't see how they'd be rejected unless they did something to be rejected. Corsair was already shown to be on Krakoa (at least, the extension of it on the moon) without any issues. Mutants restored that way shouldn't have an issue, either.
Yeah yeah mutants are a cult now I get it, but whats with the brief cryptic glimpse of
warlock?
Don't think they're directly connected, but I'm sure there's some overlap.Will the AI Army from Iron Man 2020 have any correlation with the human-machine hybrids from Powers of X?
The island literally has psychic therapists working 'round the clock. Clearly therapy isn't a cureall for the one million victims of M-Day. Moreover "subject the lot of them to experimental technology we don't actually have access to currently in hopes that a prosthetic powerset will alleviate their trauma" certainly seems like a great idea.The other option is to have them undergo therapy, use the same genetic samples that they would use for the regeneration process in the first place, and then do some Weapon Plus shit to genetically modify them to have powers back. 1:1 gene implanting doesn't work per all of the M-Day fallout stuff, but designer superhumans are already a thing, so there's no reason why they couldn't give someone who had wings a different kind of marginally different wings.
But I guess they wouldn't be mutant mutants.
I don't disagree, in that I find it uncomfortable at times, but it makes a ton of sense that it would hurt our sense of morality.I loved this issue, but it's so incredibly fucked. Here's what the crucible is. The mutants are -killing people- through a cult ritual involving beating them to near death while gaslighting them into believing it's good for them, and then executing with a freaking sword. And then they replace them with superpowered clones. The X-Men are villains now. Everything about this is so wrong, but super interesting to read. I can't even imagine where Hickman is going to go with this, but it'll be a ride finding out.
Will Ultron Pym get in on this?Will the AI Army from Iron Man 2020 have any correlation with the human-machine hybrids from Powers of X?
Don't think they're directly connected, but I'm sure there's some overlap.
Wait a minute - Goldballs is one of the mutants that's doing the ressurecting? Goldballs the guy that makes gold balls appear? That's something I'm going to need explaining.
They're on a island with Forge, Dr Nemesis, Beast, and Mr. Sinister.The island literally has psychic therapists working 'round the clock. Clearly therapy isn't a cureall for the one million victims of M-Day. Moreover "subject the lot of them to experimental technology we don't actually have access to currently in hopes that a prosthetic powerset will alleviate their trauma" certainly seems like a great idea.
You just gave me a reason to read iWolverine.I thought iWolverine was going to have a connection between both stories.
He's involved.That sounds both fascinating and terrifying as a concept. Though I really can't blame the mutants for going this far after everything they've been through.
What's Elixir been up to btw? Wasn't he pretty instrumental in stopping the Terrigen mists from killing mutants? His powers would be pretty useful for this, right? Is he a part of the whole process?
That sounds both fascinating and terrifying as a concept. Though I really can't blame the mutants for going this far after everything they've been through.
What's Elixir been up to btw? Wasn't he pretty instrumental in stopping the Terrigen mists from killing mutants? His powers would be pretty useful for this, right? Is he a part of the whole process?
Wait a minute - Goldballs is one of the mutants that's doing the ressurecting? Goldballs the guy that makes gold balls appear? That's something I'm going to need explaining.
YuuupMystique is going to fuck their shit up soon though. It's going to be real fucking wild seeing what she does.
Yeah, I might not be convinced on the morality of the crucible, but it's a great example of worldbuilding.I don't disagree, in that I find it uncomfortable at times, but it makes a ton of sense that it would hurt our sense of morality.
My assumption ever since House of X is that Hickman is mostly exploring the ramifications of an actual mutant culture emerging, built on their past experiences and the very practical reality of immortality and resurrection. Considering philosophy and religion are built on the premise of dealing with our own mortality, it's interesting to see how an immortal society would develop its morals, particularly if it lives next to a mortal society that has been trying to exterminate it for decades. So yeah, no shit Apocalypse is the guy they go to.
The biggest success here is seeing how not everyone is buying it or coming to terms with it, particularly Scott and Logan.
As you pointed out, as long as it remains this cohesive, this should be a fun ride like we've never seen before.
He's involved.
Five (Earth-616)
Following the foundation of the mutant state of Krakoa, Charles Xavier established a group of mutants known as “the Five” (Tempus, Proteus, Hope Summers, Elixir, and Egg) with the goal of resurrecting all mutants that had died before their time. 56 appearance(s) of Five (Earth-616) 3 minor...marvel.fandom.com
Elixir is one of the five mutants involved with Resurrection, yeah.
Powers of X established that the technark fall under the phalanx in a species hierarchy. There's no way to know exactly what that little meeting Cyke walked in on was about unless Hickman decides to double back to it, but if Warlock is "phoning home" so to speak and the X-Men leadership don't know about it, that's a massive threat that could just pop up at any moment.