Xbox Game Studios + Bethesda + ABK |OT30| Why So Series X|S?
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what games they made that were forgotten in a month besides halo and redfall? starfield still has a ton of players, forza horizon 4/5 are huge, age of empires 2/4 get 20k+ players every weekend. grounded even before the port got 10k+ players constantly, sea of thieves too.
if it's not out tomorrow......................
"What game aside from the flagship product of Xbox for twenty years". Horizon's doing okay--how is Motorsport these days?
why did you ignore the rest? lol
but yeah for sure, forza motorsport didn't do too hot either. it happens. still doesn't make you right 🤷
I don't want to have to "get back" to you. No one is saying this is going to happen overnight. Nobody is saying this 100% is going to happen. I'm just saying I think these concerns are reasonable, and they follow reasonable logic.
Is this new? Interesting to see a PC and laptop under the Xbox branding, is this usual?
I wasn't the one selling the platform on "games where Game Pass exists". We miss out on games and many of us paid for exclusives we are losing.
I didn't ignore the rest, I even engaged on you with Forza. And what part of what I said was wrong? I said something that MS spent a lot of time and money on can fail, which Infinite did. I didn't say all Xbox games ever will suck and nobody will play them. Only that they can have a massively high profile game and completely and utterly bungle it.
Which they did. What was the thing? "Halo, Forza and Gears"? Really wonder how Gears 6 will be.
that's true, but i also think they have far more stuff that has gone well than duds like forza or halo infinite. i don't expect hellblade 2 and more to do badly at all, and i understand the point: only consistency would bring more users to the console side. i can also understand your point though - it would take even more time, consoles are not growing, games are getting more expensive by the day and even by doing really well and having consistency in exclusives and more i don't see xbox ever surpassing playstation lol
seems like quite a huge update to the game, hopefully they invest even more in it with the recent ressurgence thanks to the show
No, it does matter, because it both says something about the control and positioning Microsoft can give a title and games already in development can often be forced to be non-exclusives, either by other contracts, publishers or even if it's too far along. When you buy them, you get what they have and maybe that's Psychonauts 2, Wasteland 3, Deathloop or Ghostwire that are already promised off to other platforms for various reasons.
Maybe it's something that can quickly be made exclusive like Redfall and Starfield.
Both examples matter because we're talking about the dev cycles, they needed for exclusives. One will prolong the dev cycle, while the other will shorten it. Maybe you buy Starfield and that can be ready sooner, because it was already in development. Maybe you buy Elder Scrolls Online or Ghostwire and those teams won't be ready to switch to exclusives right way.
On top of that some studios or teams were built from the ground up (like Playground's second team and The Initiative). That'll take even longer.
The point here being, when I say five years for an AAA title and multiple cycles needed, that's both an estimation and a recognition we didn't get either.
They pivoted before, even the game they showcased the console with, released.
Another way to do it, if you don't like my five year round up estimation - which was just to make things simple, as the above shows the variations you otherwise encounter - would be to just count the games instead.
How many exclusive AAA games have we gotten from their newly bought teams?
That should tell you how far we are through their dev cycles. Yeah, it's slim pickings, which is exactly my point: We are not even through their first dev cycle of exclusives and they would have needed several.
It was pointed out specifically, we were talking about AAA dev cycles. I love those games, but we're are talking about games of another size here.
Whether it's bleeding or building relevance is what we don't know. It's bleeding relevance now, but they're doing little to help it. Whether another strategy could have built relevance over time is what we don't know.
We don't? We're discussing whether a long list of exclusives (Xbox/PC/cloud) on top of pushes, localization and advertising, would have worked out for the console over several dev cycles and you claimed it wouldn't, while I claimed, we'll never know.
We seem to have arrived at the same conclusion though:
It certainly wouldn't be easy and Microsoft would have to accept a long time with less growth than a multiplatform strategy can give them. That's just how it is, when dev cycles are five or so years and they have to make up for past mistakes as well. All for a console market that's a zero sum game, sees little growth and has fierce competitors.
I fully understand why they're pivoting, but I'm not convinced PC, Xbox and cloud couldn't have worked out as well, but it's certainly riskier. Their games are super popular, so they'll find success on other platforms. There's no guarantee with the other strategy.
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Yeah, that was my opening. It would take several dev cycles and it comes with no guarantee of success.
Didn't see your edit until just now but it's worth quoting again to say it ain't my job to support these companies when they are doing things I don't like as a consumer. That's how this all works. As we are constantly told, these people aren't my friends and this Console Warrior is taking his wallet elsewhere when the console isn't attractive to him anymore. It's leadership's job to figure it out for the devs. I'm not beholden to any of them through some loyalty pact. It's not my job to blindly follow a company off a cliff I don't want to follow them off of.
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Prob bc it's a small team and they dont want to and would rather launch the feature complete version on consoles all at once
they probably didn't want to deal with console cert proccess during early access, besides being a small team
PC is likely their lead platform and the most polished version. Plus if Palworld is anything to go by getting updates to an early access game is slow.
vixolus absolutely carrying the Redfall hype. Now even I want an update and I never payed the fucking game lmfao
it's that home town pride. same with Towerborne and Fallout 76 god bless
Speaking of the Xbox console business. It makes the most sense for them to create a console/PC hybrid and/or standardized licensable/upgradeable PC platform. Make Xbox what it should have been for a while now...an accessable PC platform. We'll see though.
Sounds like you must live near where I do. But it's Halo 5 no matter what everyone else thinks.
played it a long time ago to completion. Didn't really like it at all.
From what I played of it, it was really good and so moody. I immediately put it on my buy list.
Yes, YES
I started it tonight. Really enjoying it. Probably not too surprising as I spend much more time reading then playing games these days. But it's great. Will finish on the weekend
They sent a contingent of influencers and Xbox employees
View: https://x.com/ChillboBagginz/status/1787548024216113335
View: https://x.com/MalikPrince/status/1787598946069622867
Did Xbox Palworld ever get patched to 32-player count servers?
Not yet (i think it's the only difference from the steam version, the rest is up to date)
lol the DF pod this week has a screenshot of this very thread talking about Jez's comments. They are here. They are watching...
I probably wouldn't have gone through it if it weren't leaving as I have a giant backlog that includes similarly text heavy games like disco elysium but I'm happy to go through this bite sized interactive story.
New Orleans and the surrounding area is a very cool location for a game. Love the modern dystopian take on it.
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they prob pulled that screenshot from twitter cuz that was being shared around there
Not that crazy when you realize Sea of Thieves was to become a GTA-V tier GAAS. It's now in its 6th year of constant content, with no signs of slowing down.
Everwild was bound to be a GAAS too. No way could Rare focus on developing both.
Everwild is definitely the game from Xbox Studios that intrigued me the most. Hopefully the reboot is a scaled back game with a beginning and end. Too much GAAS.
Sea of Thieves is likely just too big a hit for them and require the resources. It's one of the reasons I never hope the studios I like end up making GaaS, because it just means fewer games from them. GaaS need content constantly.
I feel like Everwild hit a creative roadblock where they couldn't turn the core concept into a game so they had to make some substantial changes that delayed it. I liked the ideas I heard about no combat with Pokémon stuff.
Maybe it was becoming too much like Viva Pinata. Maybe they should just make a game like Viva Pinata with this new style and a more modern game design. Maybe they should just make Viva Pinata.
Maybe it was becoming too much like Viva Pinata. Maybe they should just make a game like Viva Pinata with this new style and a more modern game design. Maybe they should just make Viva Pinata.