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[Detective Pidgey]

Rumors that PS5 is only 9 TF ... which really shouldn't cause melt downs but warriors going to warrior.

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These are new rumors? It's very strange when you think about it. Earlier this year Andrew Reiner from GI said he heard from devs that PS5 was more powerful. To me that implies devs told him tbey had seen both PS5 and XSX.

However, this was all before Tom Warren wrote that tweet saying MS wanted to surprise Sony (that was him, wasn't it?) and stating 12tf. This would mean that devs didn't have the finalized XSX yet when they told Reiner that?

 

[12Danny123]

These are new rumors? It's very strange when you think about it. Earlier this year Andrew Reiner from GI said he heard from devs that PS5 was more powerful. To me that implies devs told him tbey had seen both PS5 and XSX.

However, this was all before Tom Warren wrote that tweet saying MS wanted to surprise Sony (that was him, wasn't it?) and stating 12tf. This would mean that devs didn't have the finalized XSX yet when they told Reiner that?

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Or that people were confused between RDNA and GCN TF.

 

[Detective Pidgey]

Or that people were confused between RDNA and GCN TF.

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Hmmm, doesn't ring a bell. Could you elaborate?

Did talk to my buddy just now, he follows stuff more on the Sony side compared to me and apparently a rumor is that Sony is working with AMD on a better raytracing solution compared to MS? So that could potentially mean that is the edge Sony has over MS, while MS has the edge in teraflops.

 

[knightmawk]

Rumors that PS5 is only 9 TF ... which really shouldn't cause melt downs but warriors going to warrior.

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I've been saying this for ages, but these consoles are gonna be so powerful the difference is going to mean a lot less than it has in the past. Coming in at 9 TFLOPSs and a cheaper price point might be an advantage for Sony, if all the multiplatform games perform the same. Early adopters may skew towards the more powerful option, but not everyone.

And that's also probably why Lockhart exists, Microsoft can have the most powerful and the cheapest console, and both are powerful enough that games will perform well on either.

 

[Somnia]

One big difference this time compared to previous generations is a lot of more casual gamers will most likely stick to the same brand primarily due to the ecosystems that they are already in. I could be wrong, but with so much digital and BC being a thing (at least on xbox, but I assume 100% ps4 bc also on ps5) that will be a big influence.

I do think gamepass will also be a big influence though.

 

[litebrite]

One big difference this time compared to previous generations is a lot of more casual gamers will most likely stick to the same brand primarily due to the ecosystems that they are already in. I could be wrong, but with so much digital and BC being a thing (at least on xbox, but I assume 100% ps4 bc also on ps5) that will be a big influence.

I do think gamepass will also be a big influence though.

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Yeah, it's a big advantage Sony has going into this next gen.

 

[12Danny123]

Hmmm, doesn't ring a bell. Could you elaborate?

Did talk to my buddy just now, he follows stuff more on the Sony side compared to me and apparently a rumor is that Sony is working with AMD on a better raytracing solution compared to MS? So that could potentially mean that is the edge Sony has over MS, while MS has the edge in teraflops.

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What I mean is that both were aiming for 12TF. But Sony was most likely targeting 12TF GCN but Microsoft was most likely targeting 12TF RDNA. This is where the rumour that both consoles are similar in specs. But they probably didn't know if it was RDNA or GCN. 9.2 TF RDNA for PS5 is around 12.9TF GCN, so that's where the rumour of PS5 being more powerful is coming from.

 

[DntSpwnOnMe]

These are new rumors? It's very strange when you think about it. Earlier this year Andrew Reiner from GI said he heard from devs that PS5 was more powerful. To me that implies devs told him tbey had seen both PS5 and XSX.

However, this was all before Tom Warren wrote that tweet saying MS wanted to surprise Sony (that was him, wasn't it?) and stating 12tf. This would mean that devs didn't have the finalized XSX yet when they told Reiner that?

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yes, new rumors posted to Twitter from a known AMD data miner a couple of days ago.

 

[Dimple]

These are new rumors? It's very strange when you think about it. Earlier this year Andrew Reiner from GI said he heard from devs that PS5 was more powerful. To me that implies devs told him tbey had seen both PS5 and XSX.

However, this was all before Tom Warren wrote that tweet saying MS wanted to surprise Sony (that was him, wasn't it?) and stating 12tf. This would mean that devs didn't have the finalized XSX yet when they told Reiner that?

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Devs only got Scarlett dev kits very recently, up until that point they were working to very broad target specs on PC.

 

[DntSpwnOnMe]

I've been saying this for ages, but these consoles are gonna be so powerful the difference is going to mean a lot less than it has in the past. Coming in at 9 TFLOPSs and a cheaper price point might be an advantage for Sony, if all the multiplatform games perform the same. Early adopters may skew towards the more powerful option, but not everyone.

And that's also probably why Lockhart exists, Microsoft can have the most powerful and the cheapest console, and both are powerful enough that games will perform well on either.

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I think it is a smart more for Sony to target $399, if they can get there without compromising too much.

 

[CRZYSPZ]

Gears is life, dont you punks forget that

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Asa huge Gears fan, I kinda fell off with 5's multiplayer. Maybe I'll go through a phase where I play it nonstop again (like I did with 4, nearly 100% the game).

Gears is a terrific IP though, people that sleep on it are doing themselves a disservice.

 

[Detective Pidgey]

What I mean is that both were aiming for 12TF. But Sony was most likely targeting 12TF GCN but Microsoft was most likely targeting 12TF RDNA. This is where the rumour that both consoles are similar in specs. But they probably didn't know if it was RDNA or GCN. 9.2 TF RDNA for PS5 is around 12.9TF GCN, so that's where the rumour of PS5 being more powerful is coming from.

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Oh fuck, it gets even more complicated. I'm gonna assume RDNA is considered superior over GCN?

Devs only got Scarlett dev kits very recently, up until that point they were working to very broad target specs on PC.

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This makes a lot of sense actually. And Warren did say MS wanted to surprise Sony. People shrugged it off and said things like "who writes like this, yeah right" but seems Warren was right after all. Of course nothing is official yet.

 

[Ebtesam]

One big difference this time compared to previous generations is a lot of more casual gamers will most likely stick to the same brand primarily due to the ecosystems that they are already in. I could be wrong, but with so much digital and BC being a thing (at least on xbox, but I assume 100% ps4 bc also on ps5) that will be a big influence.

I do think gamepass will also be a big influence though.

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yeah MS Messed up the wrong gen (when digital become a thing ) and didn't fix the problem until really to late (2018) and can't fix it this gen at all, they really can't really win next gen when bc is a thing and no one wants to make mistake

 

[knightmawk]

One big difference this time compared to previous generations is a lot of more casual gamers will most likely stick to the same brand primarily due to the ecosystems that they are already in. I could be wrong, but with so much digital and BC being a thing (at least on xbox, but I assume 100% ps4 bc also on ps5) that will be a big influence.

I do think gamepass will also be a big influence though.

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Not just casual gamers, but I'd say people who are deep in to live service games like GTA, Fortnite, Rainbow Six, etc. Most of those games have account transfers now but people will be attracted to the brand they're used to anyway if they mostly just play one or two games a lot. Less change is better.

A lot of people over estimate how many games the average gamer plays, and when they play new games. Like a lot of people will follow franchises and stuff, but there's a good number of people that pick a console early in the gen and play one or two games on it, trying out games on sale every now and then. Game pass probably changes that. This is also all conjecture and we won't know until the dust has settled where buying habits fall.

 

[Detective Pidgey]

Devs only got Scarlett dev kits very recently, up until that point they were working to very broad target specs on PC.

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This makes a lot of sense actually. And Warren did say MS wanted to surprise Sony. People shrugged it off and said things like "who writes like this, yeah right" but seems Wa

I think it is a smart more for Sony to target $399, if they can get there without compromising too much.

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And if MS then introduces the Lockhart, even cheaper, casual gamers still get the next gen experience for a damn good price. It could turn out to be a damn smart move by MS.

 

[CrypticSlayer]

Gears is not going anywhere. It's Xbox's 2nd most successful franchise and has a hardcore fanbase who are in the Xbox ecosystem because of it. It's getting a spin off that's a X-com inspired game in Tactics and may appeal to those not interested in the quick twitch, cover based gameplay.

People not interested or no longer interested in Gears can only hope The Coalition grows big enough in size to support another IP or MS gets another successful franchise that gets the full funding as Halo, Gears, and Forza does.

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Agreed. Not every franchise appeals to everyone. Tastes and preferences differ. As a fan of a franchise it's fine to want certain changes or additions, but if you don't like something it doesn't make the game unpopular. Gears 5 had the most week 1 players or whatever for an Xbox exclusive since Halo 4. That's nothing to scoff at since that means it plays a vital role in the portfolio, these type of complaints will lessen next gen when XGS is firing on all cylinders.

 

[Dyashen]

Not many franchises out there have the same amount of attention/interest by their publishers/devs as Gears has. In a generation where multiple franchises (like Bioshock, Mass Effect and Deus Ex) went dormant, I'm still hoping for MS to stick with Gears as one of their pillar franchises.

People became pissed at MS putting Fable on a hiatus (and potentially even the same thing could happen to KI) but suddenly people want the same thing to happen with Gears?

 

[Steverulez]

People became pissed at MS putting Fable on a hiatus (and potentially even the same thing could happen to KI) but suddenly people want the same thing to happen with Gears?

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There will be no Gears hiatus, I will personally riot the streets of Vancouver if this even becomes a vague "thing". Theres no need for Gears to go on a break, I can see maybe an argument for a slightly longer dev time for the next one (Rod said 5 took 2.5 years, so maybe given 6 3.5) but we've got Tactics coming as well and in the mean time I think it would be reasonable to get 2/3/J ported to PC (and with XB1/XSX port too) as I think this would be good

 

[MistahS]

Yeah I wouldn't mind a longer dev time for 6. They gave Halo Infinite 5 years. Gears doesn't need something that drastic but 2 and a half years is really short.

 

[GING-SAMA]

4 years is perfect balance.

 

[Dyashen]

There will be no Gears hiatus, I will personally riot the streets of Vancouver if this even becomes a vague "thing". There's no need for Gears to go on a break, I can see maybe an argument for a slightly longer dev time for the next one (Rod said 5 took 2.5 years, so maybe given 6 3.5) but we've got Tactics coming as well and in the mean time I think it would be reasonable to get 2/3/J ported to PC (and with XB1/XSX port too) as I think this would be good

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Yeah, I'm all for more Gears. The idea of Gears 2/3 Ultimate editions might be in the cards but Rod even saying that they're pretty busy with a lot of stuff might hint at a future announcement in 2020/2021 where they'll ensure that Gears 2/3 will indeed come over to PC. Especially with the benefit of having an internal team that both develops and oversees the franchise, I don't see the IP taking a break anytime soon.

The statement of "we're currently very busy so it'd be hard to fit in another project" might also make me think that we shouldn't read too much into the whole second team (or third team if you count the Tactics team at TC) who is supposedly working on PD. Not sure how credible Morgoth Bauglir 's source is, it kinda just feels like throwing something on the wall hoping that it sticks.

 

[Deleted member 45460]

Gears 6 will have more time because they have soooooo many games in the pipeline now with the 15 studios and far more teams than that. Going to be an amazing generation going forward, god I can't wait.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Edit: nevermind

 

[Dabanton]

I'd be up for a smaller survival horreseque Gears game before the next mainline one.

 

[Troll]

Let's have gears wrap up the kait trilogy and then Marinate for a while.

 

[Kasey]

We may talks about the netcode of 2 and 3? or the absymal amount of costumizations available in the previous entries if you don't buys the dlcs?

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The OG trilogy and Judgment are their own can of worms. Throwing smoke to see if host advantage is gonna fuck you the entire match is thankfully gone alongside the baffling Gnasher spread of 1 and 2. And no balance issue is half as bad as Longshot active downs or the two piece. And glitches? Remember crab walking, weapon slide, glitching out of the maps in Gears 2, or the match ending interactable glitches in 3's maps?

I used to be one of those angry fans on the Gears forums and reddit talking shit about Epic, but as time has passed, I realize Gears is incredibly hard to balance correctly and it's even harder to program it's lightning fast animation-heavy gameplay for online play. So I just appreciate that TC listens and does what they can. The patches to Gears 4's multi prove that.

Gears 3 was just cliffy triyng to end everything he grew in the former episodes, meanwhile the rest of epic was planning a fourth chapter with kantus only

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I'm baffled when I read that people think 3 had a satisfying ending. A magic Locust and Lambent killing bomb was weak sauce.

The UIR is definitly inspired by the soviet union, the vasgar thing reminds clearly the sovietic expansion in the middle east and the several pseudo socialist dictators like Gheddafi, Husseins and so on they backed. The lore and the iconography in vasgar is one of the best things this generation

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Ah yes, I remember Paduk's "each according to their needs" line in Judgment.

Though I don't think TC is all that interested in anything outside of war's effect on society when it comes to commentary in their themes. The COG is only really fascistic in the same way as the Federation from Starship Troopers.

 

[WhoCaresLtsPlay]

yeah MS Messed up the wrong gen (when digital become a thing ) and didn't fix the problem until really to late (2018) and can't fix it this gen at all, they really can't really win next gen when bc is a thing and no one wants to make mistake

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That's possibly true for enthusiasts, but the "FIFA/COD" crowd it's different.
If you only buy those games through the year, it doesn't matter that they are BC, because each year they move to the new entry, so it doesn't matter they can play the ones from precedent years, they'll buy and play the current one on the platform they choose
For the rest, be it those that buy 1-2 games a year or those that buy a lot, having the PS4 library available is important, but I think Game Pass might help as it gives you a library from day 1 for a cheap price (unless the BC games you care about are mainly exclusives, wich can be the case for most)
Also let's not forget about All Access. If they roll it out worldwide, or at least not only on US/UK, like Xbox France's boss said in an interview (She said they were talking with retailers etc to prepare), that coupled with GP can sway a good part of the audience unless Sony offers something similar (but if they were to do it I think they would've done "trials" like MS did those last years)

 

[Ebtesam]

That's possibly true for enthusiasts, but the "FIFA/COD" crowd it's different.
If you only buy those games through the year, it doesn't matter that they are BC, because each year they move to the new entry, so it doesn't matter they can play the ones from precedent years, they'll buy and play the current one on the platform they choose
For the rest, be it those that buy 1-2 games a year or those that buy a lot, having the PS4 library available is important, but I think Game Pass might help as it gives you a library from day 1 for a cheap price (unless the BC games you care about are mainly exclusives, wich can be the case for most)
Also let's not forget about All Access. If they roll it out worldwide, or at least not only on US/UK, like Xbox France's boss said in an interview (She said they were talking with retailers etc to prepare), that coupled with GP can sway a good part of the audience unless Sony offers something similar (but if they were to do it I think they would've done "trials" like MS did those last years)

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no one wants to lost their libraries so i can see alot of people stick to their platform of choice if the power and the price are the same, and Sony Still have both FiFa and Cod Marketing deals.

as there is a Game pass there is a PSNow too

 

[gremlinz1982]

no one wants to lost their libraries so i can see alot of people stick to their platform of choice if the power and the price are the same, and Sony Still have both FiFa and Cod Marketing deals.

as there is a Game pass there is a PSNow too

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People did not lose their PS3 or Xbox 360 libraries. They did not lose their PS2 or Xbox libraries. People are not losing their Nintendo libraries. They simply move on.

I personally cannot understand why people think that all of a sudden BC will be a reason as to why people make the choice of what console they are getting when it has never been a factor. Or why people think that gamers will be losing anything when all of this content is tied to an account.

 

[BlackManLovesKUF]

I'm" in the more Gears camp, I love all the games including Judgment.

 

[anexanhume]

Not many franchises out there have the same amount of attention/interest by their publishers/devs as Gears has. In a generation where multiple franchises (like Bioshock, Mass Effect and Deus Ex) went dormant, I'm still hoping for MS to stick with Gears as one of their pillar franchises.

People became pissed at MS putting Fable on a hiatus (and potentially even the same thing could happen to KI) but suddenly people want the same thing to happen with Gears?

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I'm still upset with what happened to Lionhead.

 

[Deleted member 59519]

People became pissed at MS putting Fable on a hiatus (and potentially even the same thing could happen to KI) but suddenly people want the same thing to happen with Gears?

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Gears has had way more games than Fable

 

[Windu]

People did not lose their PS3 or Xbox 360 libraries. They did not lose their PS2 or Xbox libraries. People are not losing their Nintendo libraries. They simply move on.

I personally cannot understand why people think that all of a sudden BC will be a reason as to why people make the choice of what console they are getting when it has never been a factor. Or why people think that gamers will be losing anything when all of this content is tied to an account.

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More people have a large digital library these days. Just look at the PC. People want their library of games in one place.

Also, games have a longer self life these days. If you want to continue playing your saves and games without having to rebuy a copy, its easier just to continue use the system that brings your content forward.

I have no doubt that digital lock-in / backwards compatible will be a large factor on which device people choose to buy.

 

[gremlinz1982]

More people have a large digital library these days. Just look at the PC. People want their library of games in one place.

Also, games have a longer self life these days. If you want to continue playing your saves and games without having to rebuy a copy, its easier just to continue use the system that brings your content forward.

I have no doubt that digital lock-in / backwards compatible will be a large factor on which device people choose to buy.

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People think that when you buy another console you are going to lose your stuff! Nope, you can simply take a minute or two to connect the old console and still play those games.

There is a reason why each generation we see swings when it comes to console sales. It has nothing to do with BC or libraries.

 

[Dyashen]

Gears has had way more games than Fable

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Fable had three mainline games, one cancelled title and two spinoff titles (Heroes and Journey).
Gears had five mainline games and two spinoff titles (Tactics has yet to come out but still including it here along with Pop!)
Both were established franchises. If Fable was just one or two games then yeah, the outcry for a new game would have been way smaller.

I'd argue that both are still big Xbox franchises especially considering they had a major push for every title. While Gears had a bigger influence on HD gaming (the walkie-talkie game design), both franchises had a similar fanbase when they were on their peak. And with us entering a generation where the interest in ARPGS is getting bigger and bigger, people would get way more vocal about the lack of Fable. However, it seems like we will inevitably see a new game if we're going by the rumours of the past two years.

 

[Dyashen]

Spoiler: the real reason he went there

also don't read too much into it lol, an owl cafe does sound cool

 

[fieldafar]

Spoiler: the real reason he went there

also don't read too much into it lol, an owl cafe does sound cool

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Hey, I've been to that owl cafe earlier this year. It's really great.

 

[Theorry]

Here we go

 

[bcatwilly]

Here we go

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Crackdown 3 was great fun for me, and it looked great in 4K HDR on my 65" TV too.

 

[Dyashen]

Here we go

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I think the main takeaway from this article is how Crackdown just fills an itch that no other (open world) game on the market is able to fill, even if the gameplay is heavily dated in comparison to modern standards.

Still hoping that the door is open for a CD4 but I'd guess it'd be up to either Sumo or a different developer with a different pitch.

 

[Deleted member 59519]

Crackdown 3 was a very fun game that was also quite pretty. My main issue was that they completely dropped the ball when it came to agency vehicles. But if you look back to the GDC 2015 dev diary, you would see a transforming Agency SUV!! I believe that at some point along development, a lot of things were scrapped for the campaign

 

[litebrite]

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I quite enjoyed Crackdown 3

Crackdown 3 was a very fun game that was also quite pretty. My main issue was that they completely dropped the ball when it came to agency vehicles. But if you look back to the GDC 2015 dev diary, you would see a transforming Agency SUV!! I believe that at some point along development, a lot of things were scrapped for the campaign

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That's probably why I never used any of the vehicles when beating the campaign.

 

[solis74]

Spoiler: the real reason he went there

also don't read too much into it lol, an owl cafe does sound cool

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:)

 

[Windu]

People think that when you buy another console you are going to lose your stuff! Nope, you can simply take a minute or two to connect the old console and still play those games.

There is a reason why each generation we see swings when it comes to console sales. It has nothing to do with BC or libraries.

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Yeahhh the future will be different in this regard. Just wait and see.

 

[litebrite]

Fable had three mainline games, one cancelled title and two spinoff titles (Heroes and Journey).
Gears had five mainline games and two spinoff titles (Tactics has yet to come out but still including it here along with Pop!)
Both were established franchises. If Fable was just one or two games then yeah, the outcry for a new game would have been way smaller.

I'd argue that both are still big Xbox franchises especially considering they had a major push for every title. While Gears had a bigger influence on HD gaming (the walkie-talkie game design), both franchises had a similar fanbase when they were on their peak. And with us entering a generation where the interest in ARPGS is getting bigger and bigger, people would get way more vocal about the lack of Fable. However, it seems like we will inevitably see a new game if we're going by the rumours of the past two years.

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Despite Fable's success, I think it was forgettable franchise that didn't have the lasting impact that Halo or Gears have had. That's why it doesn't matter whether Playground's new RPG is Fable or a new IP because all that matters is if it's a great RPG with modern game design and AAA production values.

 

[Dyashen]

Despite Fable's success, I think it was forgettable franchise that didn't have the lasting impact that Halo or Gears have had. That's why it doesn't matter whether Playground's new RPG is Fable or a new IP because all that matters is if it's a great RPG with modern game design and AAA production values.

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Oh for sure. No matter what name is on the box, I'm just hoping for a pretty damn good debut RPG from Playground. Since it does seem likely to end up being Fable, I guess we'll have to wait and see how they'll continue this IP.

 

[litebrite]

Oh for sure. No matter what name is on the box, I'm just hoping for a pretty damn good debut RPG from Playground. Since it does seem likely to end up being Fable, I guess we'll have to wait and see how they'll continue this IP.

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Yeah, I look forward to whatever it is. If it's Playground's interpretation of Fable, then great, if it's something entirely different, then that's great too. LOL

 

[S3V8]

Why you put the two pillars? I get the console porting of the first one, but not the first

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I put Pillars of Eternity with Xbox Game Pass banner because it was long-awaited game for the catalog. Next to that I add Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire with Xbox One banner as a long-awaited console release with few delays. Despite these are released by Paradox Interactive and Versus Evil, not Xbox Game Studios. Also, I added them into one tab MORE FROM OBSIDIAN ENTERTAINMENT as a smooth move from above with The Outer Worlds which will get a story DLC in the future and I added two games because it looks better than just one 🙂

So by 2021 Xbox will have Yakuza, Kingdom hearts, final fantasy and MLB the show on the platform. What a time do be alive.

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Maybe we will live to see times when main Persona title/s will come to Xbox as well. That's not my genre of game personally, but it still would be huge approach to Japanese market.

I hope Yakuza 0, Kiwami and Kiwami 2 do really good so they bring over the HD remasters, 6 and Judgement also (they don't all have to be on gamepass also).

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Personally when Judgment was announced and released I was thinking that will be the first title from Yakuza franchise which would come to Xbox, after or alongside of future PC release – as it's some spin-off and somehow related to main series. Announcement of Yakuza 0 and two Yakuza Kiwami games was really surprising and that could be real E3-level.​

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As we see at the box of Yakuza Remastered Collection there's not Only on PlayStation or PS4 Console Exclusive labels. Also, these three games were released originally long time ago. So I can boldly tell they will come to PC and Xbox in the future as well. Judgment especially would be there. Just need to wait and see what that potential bigger partnership with SEGA.​

Imagine where Xbox would be if MS never bought the Gears IP from Epic.

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I'm still wondering and I would really like to see how Gears of War 4 from Epic Games could looks like 🤔​

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Would be crazy to see for example Gears of War 4.5 made by Epic Games as some bonus games with alternate events or something like that 😁​

 

[Ebtesam]

People did not lose their PS3 or Xbox 360 libraries. They did not lose their PS2 or Xbox libraries. People are not losing their Nintendo libraries. They simply move on.

I personally cannot understand why people think that all of a sudden BC will be a reason as to why people make the choice of what console they are getting when it has never been a factor. Or why people think that gamers will be losing anything when all of this content is tied to an account.

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The digital library was not that important and widely known for the last generation , longer MP Game Support wasn't that big and popular either...now the situation is completely different...
1) Big Digital library
2) longer time support for MP games
3) the mindset of Gamers are differnet now when's came to buy Digita games
4) People want their library to carry on with them instead of building a new Ones

so no BC is important especially for casuals

 

[Deleted member 59519]

I'm still wondering and I would really like to see how Gears of War 4 from Epic Games could looks like 🤔​

Would be crazy to see for example Gears of War 4.5 made by Epic Games as some bonus games with alternate events or something like that 😁​

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If I'm being honest, I don't think Gears 4 from Epic would have been as good as Gears 4 from The Coalition.