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LTTP: The pig episode of black mirror
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The "tantrum" is coming from the posters who are literally claiming that the PM wasn't raped. How tone deaf are those messages??
Satire isn't a shield. That episode of black mirror is shitty satire that evidently gets along on shock value. The following episodes are much more poignant with more to say and much more realistic messages.
Oh man this thread.
The point of the episode commentary specifically on the media and horde mentality of social media as well as the spread of "fake news" that can easily take over both. Him using his own finger to sway popular opinion that spread when it could have easily been determined that the finger in question was not the princess'. Him releasing the girl before the incident took place as he realized that his experiment and commentary on social media had gone too far. His suicide at the end when he realized that society as a whole is depraved enough to watch the horror in front of their own screens as opposed to the reality around them.
It's a commentary on the endless cycle of horrors we ingest though media, how society as a whole as forgotten how to look away and almost gotten use to the very real media we consume, the horde mentality of social media and it's ability to change quickly due to information, and how it's easy to sway public opinion in one way or another with any news, real or fake.
The point of the episode commentary specifically on the media and horde mentality of social media as well as the spread of "fake news" that can easily take over both. Him using his own finger to sway popular opinion that spread when it could have easily been determined that the finger in question was not the princess'. Him releasing the girl before the incident took place as he realized that his experiment and commentary on social media had gone too far. His suicide at the end when he realized that society as a whole is depraved enough to watch the horror in front of their own screens as opposed to the reality around them.
It's a commentary on the endless cycle of horrors we ingest though media, how society as a whole as forgotten how to look away and almost gotten use to the very real media we consume, the horde mentality of social media and it's ability to change quickly due to information, and how it's easy to sway public opinion in one way or another with any news, real or fake.
I mean, I do think the OP is missing the forest for the pig rape. Which is, in a way, sort of a testament to the predictive powers of the show.
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Really? That's one of the few decent episodes of the series.
I dunno man, if I were him I'd completely deny knowing about it, otherwise it might open up defamation claims against him. My theory is that it was a whispered about secret, especially amongst journalists, a secret nobody could seriously say out loud. Until Brooker made an episode featuring it, lol.
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The porn star has no idea he's being asked to fuck a pig. Thats why he asks where the girl is when he's in the studio. They literally didn't tell him anything.
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i know you want to be cool and all
but come on, you can be this obtuse right?
Jesus Christ. He's referring to the pig as a girl! He knows exactly what's he's been paid to do. They're not going to drag a porn star to a warehouse without telling him what he's fucking, only for the porn star to freak out and say no. That would be a waste of time!
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hey let me dumb defamation down for you: It's not defamation if it's true
Your argument that it's shitty seems to stem that it's wholly unbelievable. I'm trying to say it's actually pretty believable. White Bear is an episode I would find much harder to believe in a literal sense.
And my tantrum comment wasn't about the rape discussion, it was about this:
I did wonder whether he'd heard rumours too at first but I'm inclined to believe our Chaz. I expect gammon had something to do with it.
It's probably better to fuck the pig as it'll make you appear like a better politician than you actually are. Letting someone die is going to be career suicide.
I think you'd find plenty of people who would have anyone do X to save a life, where X is anything that doesn't involve taking that person or another's life. Hell, even then you may have people who would do so if the person being saved met the right criteria (child/woman vs man, elderly vs young, unfamiliar vs familiar).
The problem with your argument is that you think your moral compass is ubiquitous.
Well this is basically the only reason the PM does it. Even though it obviously ruins his marriage. Career politicians. They are legion.
I'm enjoying this thread while growing increasingly annoyed that my thread got locked for things this is doing 100 fold.
Cause people don't think a guy can get raped by a pig I think?
I think you are wrong OP.
If someone kidnapped Emma Stone (really can't think of anyone better) and said they will kill her unless Donald Trump fucks a pig, the entire world would expect Donald Trump to do it. It would be the event that defined his presidency either way. If he doesn't and they kill her, he will be known as the president that could have saved someone but was too selfish to do it. If he did, then he would be known as the dude to fuck a pig live on tv.
If someone kidnapped Emma Stone (really can't think of anyone better) and said they will kill her unless Donald Trump fucks a pig, the entire world would expect Donald Trump to do it. It would be the event that defined his presidency either way. If he doesn't and they kill her, he will be known as the president that could have saved someone but was too selfish to do it. If he did, then he would be known as the dude to fuck a pig live on tv.
The weirdest thing post Pig-gate was that a lot of people just brushed it off with the old boys will be boys
yeesh, the semantics of who did the raping in this thread is just unbearable. Whether he was raped by a pig (He wasn't. He was forced to rape a pig. He was raped by the assailant, by means of a pig if you want to get technical, the pig was an unwilling participant) or not, the dilemma presented by the episode was interesting and definitely caused a ton of discussion when it was on. It succeeded in that point.
He made the decision. I really can't relate. I'd have let the girl die rather than fuck a pig. That option was available to him.
You really can't think of somebody you would be willing to fuck a pig for? That's pretty sad.
The poor pig was just minding his own business, and now he's a rapist? Not fair.
It is a little weird isn't it?
Like, we all know Cameron stuck it to a pig, but we all just collectively kinda chose not to care all that much.
The docile animal that doesn't understand what's going on is not a fucking rapist. Must have missed that thread titbit.
The Bae of Pigs
Not all of us :P Plenty of good pigfucker placards.
The Bae of Pigs
Not all of us :P Plenty of good pigfucker placards.
Yeah, it's like it's going over so many heads. I don't get how people can't comprehend it.
Granted the OP dun messed up and derailed everything.
OP actually thinks it's unrealistic that a society would pressure a politician to bang a pig to save a beloved member of that society's royalty? People in England wouldn't riot if the PM refused to have sex with an animal to save the Queen's life? You've gotta be extremely out of touch with reality to believe that mob mentality wouldn't make it a completely black-or-white situation.
Guess what: people and especially groups of people are shitty. That's the entire point of the episode. There are much better Black Mirror examples of the Internet boogeyman forcing people to do something. This episode is way more about the public reaction to the situation, and in that intent it's extremely effective.
Guess what: people and especially groups of people are shitty. That's the entire point of the episode. There are much better Black Mirror examples of the Internet boogeyman forcing people to do something. This episode is way more about the public reaction to the situation, and in that intent it's extremely effective.
If the situation isn't realistic at all, then why do you think there are posters "literally claiming that the PM wasn't raped"?
What do you think the intention of the final post-credits scene is? Do you think the show endorses the viewpoint of the people claiming the PM wasn't raped? If there are people who don't think the PM was raped, or that there are people who understand that it is rape but would endorse it regardless, how do you think that affects the "message" of the episode?
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The problem with the scenario present in the show is that it's super selective about what it reflects of society, to an unrealistic sense. "It's satire," but it's shitty satire. Because the message is supposed to be a reflection of the voyeuristic nature of society, ignoring how our society is puritanical at heart. It's why we can show ultra violence on TV, but rarely will show actual nudity or sexual content. What this episode is saying is that society is sick and will go to extremes to satiate the voyeur, the way our actual society works is not at all like that. There are actually conflicting themes of society and how we operate that makes this all so unrealistic. In order to take this as a message about society, you have to ignore other, equally as relevant messages about society.
The episode does a really good job showing the juxtaposition of the destruction of the PMs personal life as compared to the entertainment gleaned by the act from the people watching at home.
To the people watching, it's all part of their normal entertainment diet.
I gotta say, you're saying very little for an episode that has a lot wrong. Maybe articulate more with examples and clips to demonstrate your point? At this point, you're just going, "Yeah, it's not good, trust me guys."
Maybe society isn't as puritanical as you think?
I mean... this situation sorta kinda happened an no one really cared.
No you see, there's a disconnect between what people see on TV and what they see in real life. So while they may be puritanical personally they'd still vote for and watch the PM fuck a pig cause that's good fun.
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The situation happened in private, in a weird as fuck club, without a single photograph. The exact opposite of broadcasting it literally on every television in the UK.
I can tell you that western media would never, ever broadcast a rape live on television. Ever. I can absolutely say we're too puritanical for that.
Yep, the nation would be outraged and baying for blood if the PM didn't fuck the pig.
But ff the PM fucked the pig, the nation would be laughing and rubbing it in his face for the rest of his life.
Humanity!
So in that respect, the show actually was merciful, because it chose to depict all the viewers watching the TVs as sympathetic to the PM's plight, they were starting to cringe and feel sorry for him.
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