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If you were an employer, would you hire a Trump supporter?
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If you had read just a tiny bit farther into my post, you would have seen the part where I said I make an explicit exception for the subject of equality, and do not consider that as part of the umbrella of politics but rather a matter of basic human decency.
Good lord, how many times do I have to repeat that?
Ah. Then yes. I would. Rules say I'm not allowed to base hiring choices on politics. So I wouldn't. If they qualify and aren't jerks I'd hire them.
I have worked with republicans and Trump supporters. Never an issue. They were a pleasure to work with as they kept that shit out the office.
If you wouldnt hire someone because of their political views, you are part of the problem.
And dont give us the nazi crap, its such a poor alienated reducionism, you shouldnt consider Trump supporters as nazis because it is a poor biased binary idea that segregates things even more.
Also as a manager you should care about ethics, respect and productivity, being a supporter of anything wont take away any of those by default.
If you see so many people as not qualified for a job you shouldnt be in your job position.
And dont give us the nazi crap, its such a poor alienated reducionism, you shouldnt consider Trump supporters as nazis because it is a poor biased binary idea that segregates things even more.
Also as a manager you should care about ethics, respect and productivity, being a supporter of anything wont take away any of those by default.
If you see so many people as not qualified for a job you shouldnt be in your job position.
"That nazi crap"
How do people still need it explained to them that white supremacy and bigotry isn't fucking political differences
Yeah, the people fighting the nazis are the *real* issue here, if we just treated nazis with respect I'm sure they will come around eventually right?
Someone walks into your job wearing a klan hood, you gonna hire them bro? How about a swastika armband? How about a shirt depicting an antisemitic image, or an image of a lynching? Since that doesn't make them a bad worker by default.
The only idiots who think that are the ones with the privilege to believe it.
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The thing is that some of this stuff shouldn't qualify as politics. Race and ethnicity relations is more social than political and will effect the work enviornment because that most of the time is social. There is no way in hell a racist should be in a work enviornment where they can sabotage people. Its not the same as someone who has a different view on taxes or something, cause that can't completely taint their social interaction in their work.
You think that shit will stay out of the office indefinitely? Politics isn't something that just politely sits outside while we're at work. How hard is this to understand?
It might not be an issue now, but if tensions in this country increase, you may find the situation changing.
Exactly the naive kind of thinking that people in this thread need to get over. Plenty of intelligent Trump supporters who have no problem caring for their kids and later condemning children being detained by the government.
Did you just ignore the entire rest of this thread? When it comes to one political group denying the basic human rights of others, it becomes more than a matter of just "political views."
You can sit back and make this kind of lazy argument because you haven't had to personally deal with the detrimental effects of Trump. Nor have you had supporters tell you to your face that people you know and love are not worth being treated with decency and dignity.
So, the manager needs to care about ethics but the employee doesn't need to? Do you just bury your head in the sand when you watch the news? The government is detaining children in unhealthy conditions and supporters of Trump implicitly or explicitly support this, dude. You're just ignoring the inherent problem that Trump supporters support treating human beings like animals and then yell at those who disagree with it because it's easier that way, isn't it?
If it was an upper management position where they had the authority to promote/hire/fire people, I probably wouldn't, I don't trust them enough to keep an unbiased view
If it's an entry level job, then I couldn't give less of a shit, just shut up and do your job and there won't be problems
If it's an entry level job, then I couldn't give less of a shit, just shut up and do your job and there won't be problems
No. I work for a large company (UK), and this one mofo keeps telling people he is Alt-Right. I dont want to work anywhere where one person is claiming that certain other people are genetically and socially inferior.
1. What's the problem you're referring to?
2. How much do you think someone who currently supports Trump really believes in ethics and mutual respect? Seems to me if they're aware of who and what they support then they don't actually give a damn about those ideas.
Bullshit.
Again, after Charlottesville Trump called actual Neonazis very fine people.
During the early parts of his presidential campaign, he was advocating for a Muslim registry, with possible physical identifying garments.
He has surrounded himself with self proclaimed white supremacists, and is operating concentration camps. He is also abducting children from their families and placing them in these camps.
We have reports of people being tied down naked and beaten in these camps.
His entire campaign and the PR of his administration has revolved around antagonizing a group of outsiders as the source of all of this country's problems, and that, by cutting them out of society and eliminating the flow of them into society, we can restore our country's glory.
Hitler called the press the lugenpresse, literally lying press. Trump calls them fake news.
Hitler called his Aryan base the master race. Trump has started calling his base the "super elite."
Trump said immigrants are infesting the US. Hitler called Jews vermin.
Trump's own ex wife claimed that Trump kept a book of Hitler's speeches on his nightstand.
How can you continue to deny reality? You think it can't happen here? You think the nazis started with exterminations? News flash, the extermination campaigns were the back 20% of the Holocaust. The first 9-10 years were, well, this. Concentration camps and all.
It's happening here. Right now
Not a fucking chance. To expand, there is no way a Republican would ever match the ideals and values I want to see in another human being.
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I mean, there obviously is.
A MAGA clown who is still outwardly promoting Trump in 2018, is different from someone who ticked a box in 2016.
Otherwise, why even celebrate his waning support?
Most people who voted for him still support him though. His approval ratings are still soaring among Republicans so there isn't much of a difference between the two groups
Part of what problem? Making people face consequences for their actions?
We've had plenty of Trump supporters proven to be either neo-nazis or neo-nazi sympathizers. Maybe you just don't pay attention? People like you that post this, "Stop alienating the other side" shit usually don't pay any fucking attention.
It's difficult. Trumpists are obviously huge shitheads, but I also don't think employers should have nearly as much power over people's lives as they do, no matter what those people get up to outside of work.
Basically. People give idiots jobs all the time, but presumably they had it together enough not to blurt out that they were idiots during the interview process.
But hey, you want to save businesses a lot of time and volunteer that info up front, go for it.
Nah.
The problem is racist xenophobia. Not allowing them a foot in the door at my company is the correct choice.
Hi, I do have something to say, sorry that took so long.
No I am not denying reality, I understand that really looks like "nazi" behavior is on the rise in America.
The issue is, we are not talking about hiring Trump (what America did way before he became POTUS), we are talking about all people being hired or not, not about a nazi government rising (thats another subject)
Its really as you said when talking about the rise of nazi ideology, it is not starting today and people just dont suddenly got "nazi virus" when Trump was ellected, it is something that has been boiling for decades.
My issue is, America is a overpowered mess, its ok, but people love to fit in some sort of brand and by association deduce what is your profile by your ideology and traits, we really are more than our color, sex, gender, ethinicity even the candidate we vote for.
As an example, if I say that I would hire a Trump supporter, people here would quickly believe that I am at his side, or even a nazi supporter, but Im not neither.
But being called nazi really insults people, when you start deducing that people that support Trump are nazi and wouldnt hire them, you miss your chance to grow some empathy, since a person can just not be educated enough about the situation, and not really a nazi just because they believe in Trump. Then you wont be listened anymore by your ideologic adversary and worst, declare that you wont give him/her a job, so since they dont see the bad about being a Trump supporter, they will see you as evil too.
This really alienates people, you exclude them instead of making them understand the risks.
This is exactly what Trump ideology needs to grow, segregate, there is no virtual difference if somebody excludes the other by their beliefs, its exclusion, the logic of antagonist is the same, this just helps to create the distance, and division is the main tool that this sort of evil ideology needs to grow. The nazism just needed to make a group believe that another group of people was to blame for all the mess that was happening in Germany.
So IMHO, its all down to assume so much from so little, and put the guilty at the "other", this is the base for everything, and everyone is responsbile for doing so, trumper or not, nazi or not. Its really easy to put the guilty of our problems at the shoulders of the others.
My fear is that America is so privileged and entitled that no one is ready to understand, just to blame and labelize, and this is the right amount of fuel to an explosion, a country used to tell other countries what to do without even being able to locate them in a map, is ignorant enough to find a solution for something that was always there and no one cared as long as money was rolling. Since we are on the WW2 the, we are talking about a country that made money and hegemony from other country wars, not the most ethical place in the world that suddenly turned evil and nazi.
I will NOT hire a Trump supporter, I will even go as far as take a look into his social media just to make sure ( and i have done it)
I will not work for one nor with either I will make sure to make their lives miserable while they are there in some way.
I'm not a malicious person, especially work wise, but here is one of the spots where I draw a line.
I will not work for one nor with either I will make sure to make their lives miserable while they are there in some way.
I'm not a malicious person, especially work wise, but here is one of the spots where I draw a line.
"That nazi crap"
If the question of the thread was "would you hire tiki fucks?", then the answer would be no
No.
Nobody becomes a nazi/fascist because they were just ignorant and the lefties were 'mean' to them.
Dorothy Thompson killed and buried this line of thoughts credibility back in 1941.
https://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/
Knowledge is not the issue here. Basic empathy is.
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"That nazi crap"
How do people still need it explained to them that white supremacy and bigotry isn't fucking political differences
Yeah, the people fighting the nazis are the *real* issue here, if we just treated nazis with respect I'm sure they will come around eventually right?
Someone walks into your job wearing a klan hood, you gonna hire them bro? How about a swastika armband? How about a shirt depicting an antisemitic image, or an image of a lynching? Since that doesn't make them a bad worker by default.
The only idiots who think that are the ones with the privilege to believe it.
Hey, "nazi crap" is believing that someone is nazi because of being a Trump supporter.
I wouldnt hire a person that was wearing a Klan hood or any of the other declared stuff you said. Of course bigotry and white supremacy are not political difference and are a threat, that has to be faced, you cant have the right to speak when your goal is to cause harm.
But, you cant be read as a white supremacist or xenophobe because you support Trump. Would I hire a white supremacist, racist or xenophobe? Of course not. But believing that a Trump supporter is an asshole or criminal before anything esle deduced is dangerous as back in the day germans believing that jew caused syphilis.
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All that separates them from your "garden variety" Trump supporter is they got some torches and marched. The sentiments are still the same.
They either are or they are sympathizers. Tell me how anyone can support hatred and bigotry and fascism in the voting booth or on their hats or wherever else and not be okay with those ideas?
Bullshit you can't
This is one sharp lookin poster right here I tell you what
You are born a jew.
You choose to support the racist white supremacist with your vote.
I mean being able to do a job is part of it but most places do criminal background checks and drug tests also.
One of the things I do in interviews is inform people that have speech, dog whistling, coded speech will result in disciplinary action up to and including termination .Lack of inclusion it crafting disharmony is another reason as well .
Isn't this literally illegal in some states?
Like, I get the sentiment, but this could end up hurting an employer if I'm reading some of these replies right.
It's not. I actually have strict guidelines in the interview training I go through with stuff like "don't bring up any medical issues, financial issues, stuff like that" because we're supposed to hire a qualified person for the job, not in life.
You cant ask about their party or voting but u can def ask about how they feel about diversity in workforce and what they look for in a team.
absolutely, and if they respond poorly to this inquiry then i wouldn't hire them
Pretty much all that needs to be said.
Trump supporters at the very least implicitly support discriminating against others due to aspects of themselves that they are born with: race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, ability or disability, etc.
Hypothetically weeding out Trump supports during the job interview process would be judging these people based on decisions they made to support bigotry. I'm not saying it would be a good thing to do, but there's a huge difference between the two situations.
Trump supporters chose their political position. The groups they discriminate against were born as they are and cannot do anything about that (nor should they be expected to). See the difference?
Which brings up my next question: Why are you so keep to jump in to defend Trump supporters while playing down the things that they support?
And no, calling them out on their bullshit does not make them bigots. They decide to be bigots on their own. Blaming someone else like that sounds a bit like abuser language used to blame victims, to be honest, and I'm so tired of seeing this crappy fallacy thrown about by people making lazy arguments. "I wouldn't have supported Trump if you hadn't made me feel bad about my views on minorities!" Or some shit like that. Yeah, no. That's not how it works.
Bandwagoning on these because not only should this be how you sell your company/team in interviews, it's also a great way to gauge team fit, of which of course this could be an issue.
Leaves aside the politics to kind of side-step it. I do this in every interview I conduct but had never really thought of it this way.
As I said earlier in this thread. You can only leave politics at the door to a point. The more unstable the Trump administration makes things in the US (and the world), the harder it will be to just leave politics at the door. Things could very well get to the point where the loved ones of employees end up in harm's way. I get the sense that such things would come up at work. And if some Trump supporter tried to tell them that their friend/relative/acquaintance deserves to be in harm's way? That isn't going to go well.
Acting like politics is just something you can leave at the door and forget about just shows that you yourself have had the privilege of separating politics and political decisions from your own life.
Yeah, someone who's at best indifferent to bigotry and stupid enough to think someone with no political experience or knowledge is going to be great as a public servant
Of course it isn't.
The idea that anyone would think this is appropriate or in any way your responsibility when you're doing a job interview is idiotic.
More useful than knowing a candidates political affiliation would be knowing whether they're the type of person who would ask an interviewee if they're a Trump supporter. I can tell you for sure I wouldn't hire those people.
Oh Christ.
You guys seriously need to get a grip. Do you honestly believe that in 6-7 years we're going to be shoving people into ovens? Give Americans some credit for crying out loud. I honestly cannot tell if this is a serious post or not.
Given the nature of my work and the number of minorities and poor people we work with, I'd be quite surprised to see a Trump supporter applying for a job here