It wasn't digging. She said those comments earlier in the month. This is her opinion on the matter, now.
This is digging and kinda ironic, considering how she ruined her career over her freedom to say stupid shit:
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It wasn't digging. She said those comments earlier in the month. This is her opinion on the matter, now.
This is digging and kinda ironic, considering how she ruined her career over her freedom to say stupid shit:
I did listen.
I expect you got my back when I start personally insulting customers then, right?
I thought it was about ethics in gaming journalism.
No, but really, how does the issue being about supporting workers means that if you believe Price did something warrant being fired that somehow you're a GamerGater?
You'd think people still obsessed with a 4-year old hate campaign would have a good enough memory to know that's what they've always been doing.
Yeah, with the way people are acting about it, you'd think she said something actually rude like "bye bitch"
That's the baffling thing though they had no social media policies. Cause if they had you sure as hell would see a company plea to other arenanet employers to correct her "lies" in that interview then. But radio silence on that one. So I just have to take it and believe her on that given that if this was an actual lie her future in the industry would be even more fucked backfiring on her.
"Professional standards" on my personal twitter outside of job.
24/7 working, either as a dev or a service customer. What a nice future for the workers all around the world.
While that is obviously true (kind of, at least, since you know, personal twitter account), the people pretending to be offended and making a big deal out of it are dudes very well versed in no name internet asshattery.
The same kind of dudes rabidly defending the use of homophobic slurs by male gaming personalities. Sure, streamers and e-sports idiots aren't "~~representing a company~~" but the gaming community's hypocrisy is so obvious it's hilarious
With all due respect that is a bit dismissive, Deroir did not deserve any of the name callings and harassment.
He was polite and respectful to Jessica the whole time and he handled the whole situation very maturely even after the things she said to him.
In the end it's either Jessica's own fault or ArenaNet's fault, but no matter which side of the argument you are on, I think we can all agree that Deroir is at no fault here. He is genuinely a good person that admired Jessica and didn't deserve any of this.
You never did tell me what job you have where you're free to insult customers with reckless abandon because I want in. Where do I apply?
literally posted a giant ama about the game before that tweet chain
personal twitter btw.
Why was Homer so rude to these fans? Boy, I sure hope he got fired for that blunder.
The cult really doesn't like it when you bring up Bain's atrocious behavior. Any criticism of him is forbidden.
The guy getting fired is weird, but Price, along with that TB thing, probably deserved to get fired.
Oh right, that'll surely make his recently widowed wife feel a whole lot better, knowing it was just light stepping on his grave rather than kicking up the flowers on his tombstone. Oh wait, no it doesn't:
It's fine to critical of someone, but publicly celebrating his death when he's no longer around to defend himself and his family is still grieving is so fucking crude.
Is it possible to think someone should behave appropriately with their employer's partner/customer and not be a homophobe or nah
But, being offended because he tried to engage in a discussion perfectly fine?
Does this not go both ways?
That's any job where you are indispensable enough.
She absolutely did not deserve to get fired over the tb thing
Wow my dude listening to you one might think she's just screaming the n-word all the time
Any decent job out there.
She posted a personal opinion about her job and the difficulties that comes from writing on a MMO.
Something she did in her free time and does NOT belong to her line of work, which is...write videogames.
There's certainly a deeper meaning of the sheer amount of posts that are exclusively obsessed with "woman was rude on Twitter!"
If you are off-work hours, there is no reason to be civil and professional in a public forum. As everyone knows, your affiliation with your company ends the second you leave the office building, (even if you have a badge with the company name on it, the company name is plastered on the Twitter account and the discussion is about your job and work) and no punishments can be given to people who act unprofessionally outside of work hours. People should be free to call their company's customers asshats in public as soon as their work day ends because it is clearly not representative of the company's stance against their customer.
I said 'along with', this incident prob broke the straw on the camel's back.
That's a good point, the context of the physical aspect of the conversation is important and adds to the meaning behind what the man is saying.
In the case of the online realm, is there just no good way to offer suggestions to a woman as a man? Or I guess should you only give feedback to women that you are close to?
Isn't the biggest running joke is Homer taking on new jobs and getting fired for it or losing it by the end of the episode?
She got offended and said a mean word
They got offended, started a hate campaign and got two people fired from their jobs
Yes, these are exactly the same
Dammit. Almost didn't realize there was an invisible /s at the end of this.
It's almost like it's the topic of the conversation?
There's definitely a certain meaning in being so desperately obsessed with GamerGate that you start seeing gators everywhere.
when you are attacking a recently deceased person, you arent really hurting that person. you are hurting their family, their friends, loved ones, and anyone who ever had an iota of appreciation for who they were or what they did, who are already incredibly hurt and in mourning.
that, in my opinion, is far from being tame.
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Media, critics, veterans... of an industry that at times like this reminds me how sheltered and juvenile it really is. And usually I think that's actually a net positive. But I think there's a good reason the overwhelming sentiment from people on the consumer side of this is that ArenaNet was justified: Price's shit absolutely wouldn't fly in an engineering/architecture/finance/whatever setting. It's clear and obvious to most people outside the silicon bubble.
So you wouldn't be offended if your barista called you an asshat to your face in front of other patrons after you asked why you were triple charged for $50 for a $5 latte?
What do you mean what? Attacking a recently deceased person is wrong.
TotalBiscuit spent a good deal of the four years following his initial diagnosis caught up in some awful shit, of his own volition. That is part of his legacy, too.Oh right, that'll surely make his recently widowed wife feel a whole lot better, knowing it was just light stepping on his grave rather than kicking up the flowers on his tombstone. Oh wait, no it doesn't:
There absolutely is if you represent yourself as an employee for a company on your "private" twitter account.
If she was using a private account with no ties to ANet and people dug it up and doxxed her something, that would be completely different. But she was very public about who she worked for on Twitter. Twitter is not a private space. Its public.
Very Public. Why is that so hard for SO MANY people who show their asses on Social Media?
Please point me to where he started a hate campaign? I was under the impression GG joined in AFTER the fact.
But hey, if you can directly link Deroir to the mob, Id be more than happy to admit he's wrong.
She publicly celebrated his death. That alone would have been a firable offense for many.
You can't be serious if you think most workplaces would be happy with a worker being rude to customers outside of work hours while discussing work in a public space when ignoring them was an option
Firing an employee for not upholding company standards is actually upholding their employment rights, including the right to be terminated for violating company policy. Regarding there being a chilling effect, maybe there is an issue if they aren't already chilled to the point where feedback is reciprocated the way it was and this might address that.
When did support of marginalized individuals require ignoring the occasions of hostile behavior of those individuals and mandate immunity from the issues they cause?
So is disregarding death threats that ran people out of their homes as "not credible because they are still breathing"
try not advertising your personal account with your job description then? usually helps with not being associated with your job lmao
Price was the target of a misogynistic hate campaign. The @s towards here and other female devs is 99% GamerGaters and about 1% Guild Wars players. This is their standard mode of operation, they suddenly show up no matter the size of the community when they finally corner a target they've been chasing.
Anyone claiming GamerGate has no involvement here is either hopeless naive, or a GamerGater runniing the ol' "wasn't me" script. It'd be great if the administration here didn't allow the second one to be done, but for a forum founded around the concept of believing woman that have been harassed, it sure seems to have turned it's back on them already and now you have to carefully manage what you say along the lines of the ol "Republicans buy shoes too" shlock. Interesting how in women's issues threads, the women here have to fucking do everything themselves with a bunch of men telling them something isn't happening, with no help from the administration, and the result is Era is losing multiple long time women posters every week because they are fucking tired of having to "careful" with their honesty and viewpoints so that it doesn't hurt the feelings of Era's ad clickers.
And save me the ol' "the team here has ____ on it and we care". Words don't mean fuck all. Actions do. It's been tracked for a while now that this forum cares more about throwing out warnings for console wars posts, but does weird shit like only ban misogynistic for 3 days. You can be more transparent without also allowing people to metagame you like Kasparov playing a 5 year old in Tic Tac Toe.
That people even offering the idea that her firing occuring in a vacuum not only receives oxygen here on Era, let alone results in honest call outs of that resulting in decent posters getting warned for it, speaks to how much this forum has failed those it supposedly cared about when founded. I am in the thick of this in twitter right now; male devs going hard against these people do not get a mob on us, even when we're VERY blunt, but female devs that literally just have their company in their bio are getting DMs, mail and email and voice mails sent to their employers at them, hoping to get lucky and another spineless CEO will toss them. Women like Hazel were under the radar, and GamerGate didn't lock onto her until they started keyword searching for tweets supporting Price
So, let's review:
- There is an active, prolonged campaign against women in the games industry.
- This campaign is actively managed and participated in by GamerGate, and can be confirmed by simply searching their subreddit.
- ERA has done a really, REALLY poor job of not giving GamerGate a free megaphone here, proved by facts and community feedback in the relevant community threads, because your "process" is so easily metagamed that I've almost wanted to become a troll account just to prove how broken it is because your moderators hands are so fucking tied not even Houdini could ban an obvious troll account
- Developers are not your property, are not on the clock 24/7, do not owe you a smile, and do not owe you the response you think you deserve
- The things people are claiming these devs on twitter owe them can all be obtained through the company's official support methods, you don't need to go after devs personally
- Critiquing games is okay, constructive critcism is great. Asking for someone to be fired because your feelings got hurt is bullshit, especially when male devs do it all the time and don't get a peep, and a bunch of people actually praise or like smartass male devs (see how many people brag about being blocked by Kamiya) while female devs doing the same are "misrepresenting their company" makes you immediately suspect as to your actual reasons for supporting Price's firing. As it should.
Thanksfully, the industry is about 90% on Price's side on this matter. O'Brian has done more damage to the industry as a whole than the mob could have ever done to his company. It's so fucking ironic that people want devs to be more open and "honest", and when they are, they want them to go back to being PR-laden call center script interactions because some people can't seem to remember that gaming is a hobby, not a goddamn identity and lifestyle.
It would be rad if it worked like this.
It does not actually work like this. To think otherwise is delusional.
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Notice how I didn't mention Deroir at all
That's because it was the community at large, certainly with help of the usual suspects from the internet sewers that started it
At least as far as I know, whether Deroir told them about it or not I do not know.