This is my view, especially on topics that aren't in the realm of social progression
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What role and place do conservatives and Republicans have on this fourm?
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Ah, we'll see. I was afraid to make this analysis years ago and America has ended up exactly where I thought it would be. I won't let these types of criticism affect my thought process. Posts like yours is what leads to situations we find ourselves in.
The rise and fall of nations, descent into fascism and communism are not conspiracy theory. It has happened numerous times and will continue to happen.
Germany in 20 years is going to be a mess.
Yeah because there are no older Democrats or progressive. Once somebody makes money they turn into a greedy asshole that's perfectly fine with enabling White supremacy. There are no wealthy Democrats like in Hollywood or that play sports. None. Nevermind that the youth doesn't vote so how the fuck do Democrats ever win? Strange shit.
You're argument comes across that Democrats are naive instead of principled and it's insulting.
Nah. I have a career, a family and am accumulating wealth.
Fuck Republicans. Fuck conservatives. Fuck the rich. Fuck the establishment.
I'd rather my tax money go towards helping our country better itself than a giant war machine that does nothing but destroy all that's good.
I'd gladly pay more in taxes if it meant we all had a better chance at surviving and thriving as a country and a species.
You presume that (a) there is a secret fascist conspiracy that (b) all conservative politicians are party to. And that is nuts, plain and simple.
And sincerely the idea, with no proof the money actually exists for anyone.
Nah, the CDPR thread's bans were absolutely all deserved; lots of folks rushing to defend a shitty transphobic joke with inane arguments that they pushed over the line. Many of those banned were outright trolls too; it's not hard to tell that someone whose account was made in the first week this site opened and has posted 5 times since then popping up just to argue this very specific point might have bad intentions.
If you really want to claim that, go point to some you think we're unreasonable.
This forum does not need to be the place where we convert conservatives.
Sure, confronting people works for getting them to realize things they didn't understand, occasionally. But it's tiring. You brought up trans rights specifically, and what being transgender even is and how not to be transphobic has to be explained here all the damn time, largely by trans people, and it's exhausting. And people largely never fucking learn, they just double down, wasting even more time for people who already have to confront this shit in their day to day life, and sometimes they want to talk about things where the discussion can be had with the basic assumption that they're normal people too out of the way.
So fuck the idea that everywhere needs to be a battleground for confronting ignorance. Sometimes they can just be ignorant somewhere else, somewhere else can teach them, and we can enjoy a discussion - not necessarily agreement - from a better starting point. There is so much value in that.
(And, honestly, using trans rights as the example was almost insulting when someone in the discussion is a trans woman who absolutely frequently participates in educating people on here about it, despite the fact that the vast majority of the time I've seen her do it, the people she's talking to refuse to learn.)
Games aren't apolitical and it's really more like criticizing a movie you saw than randomly talking politics while playing Pac-man in an arcade but have fun with that I guess.
There is 0 justification for voting GOP that actually matters given the obvious cost voting for them brings with whatever your justification is, regardless of what your personal reasoning, assuming it's not bad to begin with, is.
Lol. To deny that we have entered a new era of global fascism is denying reality.
If your argument is that older/more stable people tend to be selfish, maybe, maybe.
if your argument is leftism is somehow naive, nah.
An entertainment forum I use is a big fan of the 1-week "ban". Everyone who uses it, knows this so the site has become completely overrun with trolls. Any thread about someone who is not male, white and/or straight is now filled with idiots screaming about "The SJWs!" and other garbage. They know anything they say, short of the N-word would just earn them a brief "vacation" so they've run wild. You aren't going to change someone's mind who is only taking part in a conversation in order to troll. It's not about changing minds, it's about maintaining a level of civility. There should be MORE perma-bans, not less.
I never said anything about Democrats, Republicans, white supremacy, Hollywood, or athletes. That's quite a wild ride you went on.
I... wat?
I've never even known holocaust survivors to hold such views.
No party is humane. Look what Obama did to Libya and the continued support from both parties on Israel. And Bill Clinton with his crime bill that affected so many. You have to get your hands dirty to get what you want. Even if some don't like it. They are both scumbags.
Never said the Dems are pure but they aren't the party of white supremacy and bigotry.
But I'm glad you think it's all a wash
It's like saying "That man killed a person!" And then following it up with "But you jay walked once!"
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With Germany's welcoming of migrants during the crisis?
That's altering reality.
Donald Trump is president, Bush was the Republican president before, and we're STILL getting both sides are shit arguments (that's after Obama no less). It's like somebody dabbing a dot of shit on your face vs somebody dumping a whole truck load over your head and saying "aha see both are shit! Can't even tell the difference really".
Use this in a thread about police shooting a black person and you have the template for the people who go on the cops side
We're criticizing the weirdo paranoid narrative you have, not denying the hard right shift we're seeing in the west.
I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the people who vote Republican.
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Man, I really want to dispute you guys for the sake of humanity, but I can't disagree.
Again,borrowing from Chris Rock, 'What, you want a cookie?! You're supposed to be [anti-Nazi]!'
It's totally nuts! No way could there be a national party in a country that has grouped together a massive population of people with a common interest to enact policies that are harmful. It's even more crazy to think this could happen in more than one country, and it's even more crazy to think these countries would communicate together.
Completely nuts! Wait, what's this "Republican" party that has had some of its leaders go to Russia? Wait, more party leaders from other parties with similar policies from other countries have met with Russia too? What is going?!
As a pro-LGBT, EU critical, conservative leaning person, I have come to realise that I have zero interest in participating in political/sensitive discussion on Era. This thread quite well demonstrates why.
I feel I would be dogpiled on until I break down, or get banned. Same happened on late days Gaf, when I had the nerve to suggest that unchecked immigration in EU was problematic and would lead to the rise of the far right in EU.
I am happy to leave political/sensitive threads to the leftist majority to discuss among themselves, and merely read them to understand their viewpoints. I much rather participate on benign topics.
I feel I would be dogpiled on until I break down, or get banned. Same happened on late days Gaf, when I had the nerve to suggest that unchecked immigration in EU was problematic and would lead to the rise of the far right in EU.
I am happy to leave political/sensitive threads to the leftist majority to discuss among themselves, and merely read them to understand their viewpoints. I much rather participate on benign topics.
How do you justify being pro-LGBT while considering yourself "conservative leaning", though? Have you seen what conservatives have been doing to LGBTQ folks in this era of Trump?
Conservatives do stuff I don't support, and conservatives have leaders I don't agree with? Kinda like Corbyn's base weathers his anti-semitism scandal.
This slippery slope from "if you support conservatives you are anti-LGBT, thus the only morally viable position is to be a democrat" is the reason why meaningful discussion is difficult.
Um...the Republican platform is literally anti-gay marriage and Anti-Transexual. There's no nuance, it's not a "scandal" or grey area here in the US, there's no slippery slope it's exactly what they fight for and vote for. It is literally part of their platform. And it's not some of them, it's part of the parties platform.
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Except that immigration numbers have no bearing on anti immigration sentiment. Data shows that it's all about perception and who doesn't want immigrants tends to not want any immigrant at all.
Sorry if I dogpiled on you btw.
The forum has ppl engaging me in good faith and having disucssions if you dont want to thats your issue not mine.
I'm not republican. Never voted republican. I'm middle of the road and will never vote for party like it's my favorite football team. I sometimes lean right, sometimes lean left and I actually voted for Clinton in 2016. I go issue by issue and see what's at stake. I engaged in some political talk today and honestly it feels like if you are not left in every issue and in line with other posters on the thread you'll get singled out, dogpiled, and get called names. I don't care as I'm not trying to appease anyone here, but this feels like old neogaf lite on its way to becoming full old neogaf when it comes to political threads.
This community is actually fairly old on average for a videogame forum. I probably represent the kind of member here that you're describing, and I'm 42.
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EDIT and look at that, someone asks for a conservative poster to show up and they say NOTHING lmaolmaolmao
This didn't happen
Mods were banning people who didn't like McCain
Really, since conservative social positions are out of the question here, and conservative economic positions are framed as inherently racist, there isn't a place for conservatives/Republicans on Era.
One of my problems is these people when questioned just leave the threads or dance around shit. It's been happening all day today. That isn't a willingness to participate in good faith or in any kind of am honest discussion, and if someone isn't interested in doing so they don't really have any place on a discussion forum. And that goes for any subject really, not just politics, but it happens with them more often.
If you politely ask someone what their position on something is and you *know* they saw you asked it, and especially if multiple people ask, there should be a reasonable expectation that you are honest and that you at least address it in some way before continuing to participate in a thread.
If someone wants to be conservative, whatever, I disagree with it but you do you, but at least be *honest*, and if you are deliberately being dishonest or obfuscating it is impossible to have a discussion which makes your presence on a discussion forum fairly useless
If you politely ask someone what their position on something is and you *know* they saw you asked it, and especially if multiple people ask, there should be a reasonable expectation that you are honest and that you at least address it in some way before continuing to participate in a thread.
If someone wants to be conservative, whatever, I disagree with it but you do you, but at least be *honest*, and if you are deliberately being dishonest or obfuscating it is impossible to have a discussion which makes your presence on a discussion forum fairly useless
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There are plenty of conservatives here who aren't as sensitive as those who are ostensibly defending them would make it seem
Do you believe conservative economic policy is generally racist??
Yes, I believe it contributes to systemic racism. My point is if the policy is framed as a class issue, then the conservative position isn't against the ToS. Frame it as a racism issue, then one cannot defend the conservative position without denying systemic racism, which is a ban.
OMG personal attack. That wasn't a personal attack, pointing out that someone may have terrible beliefs is not a personal attack. If you are bad at math, you don't get to complain when someone points that out.
I am a strong believer in the ass kicking rule "if you feel uncomfortable saying what you feel, then you probably have shit views." People who have views that are acceptable in a specific space don't tend to hide them.
I don't give a fuck about civility when people go out and vote for fascist.
The road to Civility was 20 miles ago. The call for civility only works if both sides are on equal moral plains and as of right now trying to pretend that the right is on the same moral plain is absurd. As they say, you are what you believe in.
Why should they engage in a discussion that they are not even allowed to have without being ridiculed or even banned? I assume you've seen the economic news thread, which has somehow been declared pro-Trump and thus ok to derail/troll. If you can't even discuss economic or financial issues, how the hell will a gun or immigration discussion go without griefing and derailments and people being reported...
I didn't "cape" for anyone. I just don't like hypocrites.
See post below for something close to my view and thoughts on the topic at hand.
Yep, we've officially reached crazy conspiracy theory territory. I'm out...
What? "Funny how you don't like that we call people evil but you call them childish!" Not really the same ... I don't think I'm infantilizing republicans in any special way that is exclusive to my opinion of their party. I think plenty of liberals are childish too. Im against tribalism and dehumanization in general
All I do when i am with republican family and friends is debate them. Are you accusing me of being a republican shill because I'm not being liberal enough at all times or something, based on this single post in which, according to the poster above, I am condescending to conservatives? Not sure what your point is, and this is exactly what I was talking about lol.Funny how to republicans I'm a Hillary shillbot and to liberals I'm a secret republican shill.
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