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Media Create Sales: Week 50, 2017 (Dec 11 - Dec 17)
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Software for PS4 is probably quite a bit better since digital grew a lot compared to the PS3 era.
I literally just went to the OP to check how much Vita has sold this year because I thought it was a ridiculous idea...
To be fair, anything short of that considering the PS4's full Japanese third-party support and reasonable pricing compared to the PS3 would be a disaster.
Also keep in mind that the PS3 was going up against the Wii, DS, 3DS, and PSP.
PS4 is going up against 3ds and Wii U most of its life, much weaker competition.
PS4 is going up against 3ds and Wii U most of its life, much weaker competition.
Yeah, just 330k should do it? Wonder if they'll have enough supply
Well even with Switch the overall industry is going to be massively down. It's just going to be less down than everyone expected.
Oh I know, the PS4 had an incredibly favorable context (weak competitor, strong 3rd party support) and the PS5 might struggle even more here.
In the graphical race Japanese 3rd parties will always struggle against their Western conterparts.
Smartphone games are more competition than any of those you mentioned, and it didn't hit its full stride until the couple years ago.
Hmm, would 40k BOTW be possible? It's a factor 2 increase, but with waxing Switch stock and holiday shopping, it doesn't seem all that unrealistic.
Did you not read the post? He said digital not included, which accounts for about 20% on average this generation on play station platforms. There is certainly growth there.
What is the best selling Zelda game in Japan? Any hopes of BOTW to achieve that?
Best selling game is the first game at 1.7 million. Not sure if BOTW will reach that
Smartphone games are free. I doubt they influence PS4's SW sales more than other popular consoles had an impact on the PS3.
In terms of consumer spend/playtime sure but I imagine he meant in terms of developer resources and number of releases in which case PS4 cannibalized the Vita and there wasn't stuff like Tales bouncing between its competitors.
Going forward you'll probably be able to count the number of non-PS4 releases on your hands and feet which was never the case for PS3.
Well, a 35% increase in console sales here also led to a 36% increase in Zelda sales, so it does seem like sales of the game are very much tied to the console's supply, and while I expect a big leap for Switch next, I'd be hesitant for a 100% increase.
On the other hand, Switch's supply situation does have me suspect that some customers might have made sure they got the console first before they hunted down anything else for it - the games can be grabbed whenever, the system not so much. So with it secured last week, they might proceed to pick up its big name titles - like Zelda - this week.
Thank you. It still has a long way to go.
I'm only talking on the retail end. But digital hasn't really seen any significant growth in Japan compared to the West. It's still only 10-15%.
Digital is not 20% in Japan.
The entry is free, but 85% of gaming revenue in Japan comes from mobile. Japanese consumers have spent more on mobile then any other platform in it's history, and at the end of day all of these game ecosystems are fighting over the same pool of money every person has allocated to entertainment. I don't see how it couldn't have an affect on PS4 software sales.
Mobile has definitely taken away developers and companies from traditional gaming platforms towards itself. There might not be many game series that originated on consoles/handhelds being made on mobile, but the developer resources in Japanese companies have shifted towards it, and consequently releases from all consoles/handhelds have suffered.
There has been zero indication of this happening. PS4 has had the most third-part support since PS2 days and it's a huge gap from the PS3 days.
1,92m is the shipped number? Famitsu has it at 1.646.558.
The first Zelda are out of reach but it was a different time, with less games and much more million sellers. Breath of the Wild can totally reach Ocarina of Time at around 1,2m.
It seems the Switch is widely available now in the US, so can we expect 2 million + for December ? I think it's too early to challenge Wii insane numbers, maybe next year with Pokemon and Smash.
And guys ? What numbers are you expecting for the Switch in Japan ? Of course the 600k week of the DS won't happen, but is 400k possible ?
Look at any Famitsu digital estimates. In some series it's lower/higher but it's around that area.
Right but the amount of resources PS4 may have lost to mobile has been more than made up for by the fact PS4 is getting games that would have gone to DS/Wii/PSP/Vita/3DS in the past.
As to the bolded I'm not sure if you misread what I typed?
First full day of the beta has finished, so let's see how MHW is ranking around the world on Amazon:
Japan: 2 +10
US: 59 +30
UK: 98
Germany: 34 +25
France: 85 +10
Spain: *Not in top 100*
Italy: 57 +15
Canada: 47 +2
Bonus: Let's see how DBFZ does on amazon as well, since both games release on the same day:
Japan: *Not in top 100*
US: *Not in top 100*
UK: *Not in top 100*
Germany: *Not in top 100*
France: 20 +2
Spain: *Not in top 100*
Italy: *Not in top 100*
Canada: *Not in top 100*
As expected, some sizeable jumps for several countries. One day done, three to go!
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Famitsu isn't very accurate for pre-2000 sales.
Super Mario 64 shipment is 1,92m and Ocarina of Time 1,46m
Yeah, for Wii and DS, those are probably the titles. I forgot about Wii Sports.
I dont think theres much narrative to be had there. The numbers are out in a few days (unless they are delayed due to holiday season). And considering all the talk about how 3rd parties are late to the party with the Switch (and how they will have big success there), i think it will be a bit disappointing if the Switch version of Atelier at least doesnt outsell the Vita version by a good margin.
The digital estimayes are closer to 10-15%
I didn't bring it up since I dont think being flat with PS3 retail is good digital or not. PS3 was a disaster early in its life.
Fewer people buy console because of mobile. I'd say mobile is a much greater competitor than any console before. It's a real game changer.
I kinda disagree with the good margin part. You have a platform that has received plenty of Atelier games before vs one that didn't. One has a built in audience, the other does not. It's expected that at least the first week sales should be better for the Vita.
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Everything is Cool when when it's released on the Switch!
Everyting is Awesome!
When You're Playing on Switch!
There as also an Atelier game for the 3DS. But theres overlapping between systems, many people own multiple systems, and now that both 3DS and Vita is on their way out, fans of handheld systems only have the Switch (and mobile of course) to move to. It wouldnt be much point to develope games for the Switch (or whatever platform it might be for that matter) if it wasnt possible to have success there.
Fair enough about a good margin. That is a rather loose term anyway. It doesnt have to be the first week, but LTD.
Look at Nights of Azure 2 sales. Switch version was the lowest sold but I'm not sure you can say it wasn't worth it compared to the other SKUs. You'd have a better argument saying they shouldn't have bothered with the game at all.
Yeah, it ate deep into the portable space. 220 million industry shrank into 80M.
I'm curious as to how the Switch version performed in the west.
You have one platform with a built-in audience who have been conditioned over the course of about 4 games (Nights of Azure; Atelier Firis; Blue Reflection; Nights of Azure 2) to expect low-quality, lazy ports. We've seen sales slowly trail off as people caught wind of this (NoA1 sales were really impressive; AF and BR sales were below what they should have been; NoA2 sales were poor).
To see Lydie & Suelle continue this trend shouldn't be a surprise for anyone. Conversely, when Vita got its first Atelier game it was the best selling on the platform (Totori Plus - 27k FW / 75k LT). The audience had received one Gust game prior to this (Ciel no Surge), not unlike Switch (Nights of Azure 2).
Now obviously, the situations aren't the same - Totori was an expanded port; L&S is a multi-plat. Atelier was more popular five years ago than it is now. etc.
It's just a strange situation when you see months of forum posts saying that Switch is inheriting Vita's software mantle and form factor then when Vita-esque software comes to Switch it's "ohh this series hasn't been on Nintendo hardware for years" like there's this vast sub-section of gamers that only ever buy hardware from one manufacturer and don't touch anything else. I know it's different people making the two sets of posts, but still.
Regardless, it's all for nought anyway. So for arguments sake Vita version outsells Switch version. Then what? Atelier stays on Vita for another year (I doubt this'll happen anyway - new trilogy should mean a fresh tech start). What after that? They can't keep going on the handheld indefinitely - it's nearly dead already, it'll be even worse by next year. Gust will need Switch going forward as I don't think it'll sell anywhere near enough as a PS4 exclusive (unless we see the now-common "but the west/PC will save it") And I'm sure as Vita goes the audience will slowly transition over - it's not like these handheld ports needs hundreds of thousands of sales to justify their existence, Atelier Ayesha Plus on Vita sold 30k and that was enough to ensure Gust kept going on the platform.
Are you referring to me when you say "you", or are you referring to anyone in general? If its referring to me, i havnt made any point about it not being worth it. All i said that it wouldnt be much point to make a game for a platform if it wasnt possible to have success there. Switch should be able to compete with the other platforms, otherwise, why believe in the system?
Is it going to bomb on Switch compared to other platforms?
If it sells 10k on Switch FW and 15k on Vita FW(probably charitable for both) and 25k FW on PS4 does that mean the Switch version wasn't a success?
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