There is no limit. Buying moons doesn't remove them from the world though so you can still go out and find them.
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Super Mario Odyssey |OT| RSVP: Guests of the Bride
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There is no limit. Buying moons doesn't remove them from the world though so you can still go out and find them.
That actually may be a big part of why Nintendo made Odyssey the way they did. Not only have people been clamoring for this type of Mario for a long time, but younger generations don't need objectives and goals. In fact sometimes they actively dislike them. Freeform games are important right now, between Minecraft and other indies. That's a big reason why Nintendo found such success with BOTW and now Odyssey.
So casual players, younger players, streamers, speedrunners, etc. will be able to get a lot out of Odyssey. The game works really well for low level and high level play. But people who fall somewhere in the middle, the people that want some challenge, but not too much challenge, and some direction but not too much direction, I can see them being left a little cold.
But every game leaves some people cold, so I still think it's impressive to be able to cover so many different types of people without needing difficulty selection or things like that.
Perfect.
Does anybody know if you need you need the Skeleton suit for 100%ing the game? There's a moon for buying 35 different outfits so I wonder if I can get that without spending 9999 coins on that crap. Are 36 or more outfits in the game?
Are the motion controls with the pro controller not awkward?
I can reliably do it by only looking at the rope and tapping when it's at the top. Got to 300 before stopping due to boredom.
This is a fantastic post, well said and I feel the same way.
What confuses me most is how is it that practically no one from the gaming media shares this view?
No for the most part. The move where Mario throws the cap in circled around him needs a bit getting used to. Everything else is either no problem (like waggling) or not necessary as far as I can tell after almost 700 moons.
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I'm sure some people do. Odyssey would not be the first game to earn across-the-board 9s and 10s in spite of dissenting opinions in the press.
I just kind of spaced out and paid attention to the rhythm more than anything. After 50, just hang onto that rhythm. Still had to try about 15 times though.
I don't know about the Gamexplains tips, but I always went as far to the left as possible, which gave me plenty of time to hit the jumps. Being in the middle was a death sentence for me, but when I went to the left I got to 277 first try.
Reach the Kingdom where everyone goes holy shit.
Sadly, I need to go to bed now, can't wait to explore tomorrow!!
Only 3 moons are required to get to the next kingdom, seems a bit low?
Sadly, I need to go to bed now, can't wait to explore tomorrow!!
Odyssey is certainly less taxing on player dexterity than games like Galaxy 2 and 3D World. I personally didn't have a problem with platforming moons being valued the same as hidden moons since I really like finding secrets in games. I get a ton of gratification out of acts like noticing a hidden item off a cliffside, or connecting the dots to move a capture target halfway across the level to uncover a moon. Watching a few streams of the game, players miss a ton of this stuff. Even a sparkle on a tree indicating a moon can go overlooked. For me, playing Odyssey is constantly second-guessing myself as I move forward through a level, aware that every step could mean missing a secret. Platformers are some of my favorite games, but Odyssey offers an element of "outsmart the game" that's just as interesting to me as "jump across these things". It had a good mix imo. Games like 3D World have this element as well, but it's to a diminished degree compared to the sprawling landscapes and wide array of mechanics Odyssey offers. Odyssey is a wide-open scavenger hunt by way of a platformer, and it's kinda tough to get to grips with when the last few games are examples of masterful streamlining.
I need to think about this some more but that's my initial hot take.
I need to think about this some more but that's my initial hot take.
Only motion controlls I'm using is shaking the controller in order to speed up or jump higher. I don't use the other moves and I don't think it's really necessary so I'm very happy with using the pro controller.
probably not the most original pic of the game but damn that was a hard pic to take xD
I hate to break this to you, but there are toads that wear sombreros in the game.
After completing New Donk City, the first thing that came to mind was...
Where is Donkey Kong Jr.?! What have you done with the body, Mario?
Not really any more awkward than the detached joycons, really. To do the circle throw you have to pretend to throw your Pro controller like Mario throws Cappy. An option for a button press would be much better but this is not too bad.
New outfits costing gold coins. The gold coin inventories of shops are universal across kingdoms.
Anybody else (who got to post game) disappointed with
?
It seemed much easier and a huge step down from the likes of (SMG2 / SM3DW spoilers)
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the Darker Side of the Moon
It seemed much easier and a huge step down from the likes of (SMG2 / SM3DW spoilers)
Grandmaster Galaxy and Champion's Road
I hope it's not a spoiler to say, I must have the thing that costs 9,999 coins. I don't care how long it takes.
I finished the story mode. I thought the game lost steam just a little bit in the middle, but picked up in a big way for the last third. And the ending was incredible at a couple different points. The thing you possess at the end, and the music that plays while you're doing it.
My least favorite Kingdom was the
It was just too abstract and kind of ugly. And it had one of the more frustrating moons to get (for me, at least).
I finished the story mode. I thought the game lost steam just a little bit in the middle, but picked up in a big way for the last third. And the ending was incredible at a couple different points. The thing you possess at the end, and the music that plays while you're doing it.
My least favorite Kingdom was the
Luncheon Kingdom.
It was a little on the easy side yeah, but so glorious that I couldn't hold it against it too much. A couple of the challenges on the Dark Side of the Moon were much tougher.
What's the gesture for the homing throw? I use that constantly with detached joycons.
Wait, is that the very last kingdom/stage you unlock? Because I had that unlocked as soon as I finished the main game. Haven't tried it yet though as I'm currently playing the other post game kingdom.
The Darker Side is what you unlock at 500ish, and it's the last level you unlock. At I think 250 or 300, you get Dark Side, which is a different thing.
One thing I do think about, and you touch on, is instilling that sense of curiosity. To bring up DKC2 again, because we both love that game, its similar to how you explore its levels for secrets. You're always thinking, "I bet this one lone banana over a bottomless pit will lead to a bonus barrel" or "I bet that weird looking bramble with bananas on the other side can be passed through unharmed" or "I wonder if I use the invincibility power-up fast enough, I can get the DK Coin before the unkillable fish eats me". It becomes a conversation between you and the developer, you start to really think about your mechanics and the level itself as a tangible place, and where would those discoveries be.
And for better or worse, Odyssey is like the compulsive loop of experimentation -> discovery write large across an entire surface, an entire game even. I just think that comes with a big opportunity cost of flattening the whole game's sense of scale and structure to go with it.
Ohhhhhh ok. Yeah it seemed weird the final stage unlock requirements would be so low. Good to know there's still more.
I like how
I'm also really appreciating the broodal bossfights more now that I'm replaying them. They're built with a lot of ways to speed them up and skip cycles. Makes them more challenging and less tedious.
That kind of stuff is why I love these games. There's always more to get out of them.
Was there another rock in the area?
Bowser actually seems like a threat in this game. He gets a few wins on Mario, putting him in difficult predicaments.
I'm also really appreciating the broodal bossfights more now that I'm replaying them. They're built with a lot of ways to speed them up and skip cycles. Makes them more challenging and less tedious.
That kind of stuff is why I love these games. There's always more to get out of them.
Was there another rock in the area?
If you hit one rock against another it breaks instantly
one more positive thing, cuz I felt like I've been complaining a lot about what is ultimately a very delightful game: the dialog in this game is consistently hilarious. It's self aware, without devolving into memes or excessive fourth wall breaking. Even the flavor text descriptions of items you find in the store are just damn funny. Its one of those little things that add up to such a joyful experience.
I need heeeelp
End game spoilers
End game spoilers
How in the hell do I do the hat seeking missile achievement thing? I have no idea how to find those bonneters
Man this wasn't even half as substantial as 3D Land or 3D World's final challenges.
Which I suppose is consistent if nothing else, 'cause Odyssey ain't half the game those were, either.
Probably gonna do a lengthy write up in due time.
"Opportunity cost" is a great way to put it. It does an amazing job with its own style, but gives up a lot of what made some other Mario games great.
I spent a while reading all the text for the suits, still have to do all the hats. Some great stuff in there yeah, like the one for the golf outfit: "What? Wait let me turn down my outfit so I can hear you"
Got really salty at one of the challenge rooms in the Luncheon Kingdom. The one with the rotating shapes. It was the first challenge I ended up quitting on.
You can say the exact same about BotW. I think it's fine for Nintendo to focus on different things at different times with these franchises.
I'm finally post game and able to read this thread - wanted to get in fresh and unspoilered.
It's been a fantastic game so far! The worlds are meticulously crafted, there is so much to see and to try or collect. The overall movement is fantastic, even if I took longer than expected to having the dive be a combination of two buttons. I love getting to places unconventionally and I can see the game being fun for Speedrunners for quite some time.
Seeing how the developers got down and distilled 3D Mario to it's purest form and where able to cut out almost everything annoying from the games that came before is absolutely amazing to see. Every 3D Mario is represented here - from the free form exploration based worlds from 64, some cleaning mechanics from Sunshine, some later levels are from Galaxy's playbook, zipping along the electricity lines instead of star catapults.
Almost none of the bad stuff made it in - 100 coin challenge? Gone, coins are actually worth something now and stack - and 100 coins are still worth a moon. Blue coin challenges? Not in, there are timed challenges that serve the same purpose, but are way more fun and translate directly into a moon...
Waggle gameplay? Well - mostly optional.
The combination of the last few worlds really made an impact. They were the 3D World finale bumped up to 11 with better gameplay.
I gonna get a lot more hours out of the game. The outfits are not gonna get themselves - even if I almost exclusively use the boxershorts with the famicom basecap or
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It's been a fantastic game so far! The worlds are meticulously crafted, there is so much to see and to try or collect. The overall movement is fantastic, even if I took longer than expected to having the dive be a combination of two buttons. I love getting to places unconventionally and I can see the game being fun for Speedrunners for quite some time.
Seeing how the developers got down and distilled 3D Mario to it's purest form and where able to cut out almost everything annoying from the games that came before is absolutely amazing to see. Every 3D Mario is represented here - from the free form exploration based worlds from 64, some cleaning mechanics from Sunshine, some later levels are from Galaxy's playbook, zipping along the electricity lines instead of star catapults.
Almost none of the bad stuff made it in - 100 coin challenge? Gone, coins are actually worth something now and stack - and 100 coins are still worth a moon. Blue coin challenges? Not in, there are timed challenges that serve the same purpose, but are way more fun and translate directly into a moon...
Waggle gameplay? Well - mostly optional.
The combination of the last few worlds really made an impact. They were the 3D World finale bumped up to 11 with better gameplay.
I gonna get a lot more hours out of the game. The outfits are not gonna get themselves - even if I almost exclusively use the boxershorts with the famicom basecap or
Hidden content
Yeah. Odyssey gives me similar feelings as DKC2's secret hunt, only with huge worlds with what feels like limitless ways for developers to hide stuff, and numerous mechanics and quirks to consider when looking for them. It scratched that itch for me perfectly.
For your last point, I'd agree that Odyssey strays from a traditional escalating difficulty structure. Most worlds, even in the back half of the game, aren't so much "harder" as they are just "different". Controlling a hammer bro in Luncheon Kingdom isn't much more difficult than controlling the growing leg guys from Steam Gardens or Cheep Cheeps from Lake Kingdom. They're just different. On paper the lack of a clear difficulty curve would be a negative for me, but in practice I was having too much fun exploring and experimenting with each kingdom's unique mechanics to really care that much. The core controls and capture mechanics and how the two are combined to look for secrets propelled me through the game and then some. Going back to DKC2, secrets were mostly similar - throughout the game the difficulty curve for secrets doesn't vary all that much (the bonus room DK coin is probably the most obscure tbh, and that's world 2), but the devs make up for it by continually finding new and interesting ways to hide them. Odyssey is like that, but it's blown out to form the entire game. I can totally see how the lack of a structure can be questionable (or worse), but at least for me the secret hunt is strong enough to carry the whole thing.
