Cody can handle a loss considering how much TV is between now and then.
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All Elite Wrestling announced; bankrolled by Tony Khan, son of Jacksonville Jaguars and Fullham FC owner Shahid Khan
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I just think Cody losing should mean something. People said the same thing that Cody should have lost to Spears because Cody can absorb the loss. That's true but at what point can't he absorb the loss? At what point does his losing not mean anything anymore? Presumably, he's going to lose to Jericho too. So what value does Cody have a couple months from now when he's now dropped half of his matches? What about the guy that Cody beats to rehabilitate the Guevara loss?
I think, big picture, they have a plan in place for Cody. He's going to lose to Jericho, which is going to serve the purpose of giving Jericho a strong title defense to raise the credibility of his title reign and the belt Iin turn it will mean something more when someone beats him). And eventually MJF is going to turn on Cody, and that would be a pretty big moment for MJF's career if he gets a win over Cody to boot. Those are two situations where Cody losing could mean a lot. But it means less if he's also dropping other random matches to guys like Spears and Guevara who they really don't have anywhere to go with yet.
This is where WWE's 50/50 booking is so problematic. It means little when anyone wins or loses because it never goes in any logical direction. Buddy Murphy for instance, gets a good shine from an impressive performance in losing to Reigns. They follow it up with him beating Daniel Bryan. That should have been the start of a huge push. But, then they follow it up by Murphy losing to Ali, who himself has been getting 50/50 booked. They're doing the same kind of thing to Ricochet and Cedric Alexander. Now they have a bunch of guys just getting the 50/50 treatment and in the process they also devalue what it means to beat someone like Bryan or Styles.
For AEW, if they're having guys win a match, they have to be careful about where the follow-up goes and same for losing. If the more immediate plan is for Cody to challenge for the title, it seems to me that booking him to win makes sense. And again, especially when the other prominent faces in Omega and Page just dropped big matches. If all of their top faces are losing, they have no credible faces for a heel champion.
I think, big picture, they have a plan in place for Cody. He's going to lose to Jericho, which is going to serve the purpose of giving Jericho a strong title defense to raise the credibility of his title reign and the belt Iin turn it will mean something more when someone beats him). And eventually MJF is going to turn on Cody, and that would be a pretty big moment for MJF's career if he gets a win over Cody to boot. Those are two situations where Cody losing could mean a lot. But it means less if he's also dropping other random matches to guys like Spears and Guevara who they really don't have anywhere to go with yet.
This is where WWE's 50/50 booking is so problematic. It means little when anyone wins or loses because it never goes in any logical direction. Buddy Murphy for instance, gets a good shine from an impressive performance in losing to Reigns. They follow it up with him beating Daniel Bryan. That should have been the start of a huge push. But, then they follow it up by Murphy losing to Ali, who himself has been getting 50/50 booked. They're doing the same kind of thing to Ricochet and Cedric Alexander. Now they have a bunch of guys just getting the 50/50 treatment and in the process they also devalue what it means to beat someone like Bryan or Styles.
For AEW, if they're having guys win a match, they have to be careful about where the follow-up goes and same for losing. If the more immediate plan is for Cody to challenge for the title, it seems to me that booking him to win makes sense. And again, especially when the other prominent faces in Omega and Page just dropped big matches. If all of their top faces are losing, they have no credible faces for a heel champion.
Riho promo
MJF promo
Bucks/Private Party Oct 9; Lucha Bros/Luchasaurus+Jungle Boy Oct 16
Best Friends/SCU Oct 16; winners face Dark Order
MJF promo
Bucks/Private Party Oct 9; Lucha Bros/Luchasaurus+Jungle Boy Oct 16
Best Friends/SCU Oct 16; winners face Dark Order
I actually see Luchasaurus and Jungle Boy winning in round 1. Bucks will probably win against Private Party and I doubt they'll want to do them vs. Lucha Bros yet again. Same reason I expect SCU to beat Best Friends. I'm still assuming a Young Bucks/Dark Order final with the Bucks winning and then facing LAX at Full Gear.
Anyone but Dark Order or Best Friends winning the tag titles is fine by me.
Riho is kind of a bland promo isn't she? Hopefully as she does more Stardom pre-match promo's she'll come out of her shell more.
MJF is good at what he does. Never heard of Brandon Cutler though. Is he just a jobber they hired to fill out the roster?
Riho is kind of a bland promo isn't she? Hopefully as she does more Stardom pre-match promo's she'll come out of her shell more.
MJF is good at what he does. Never heard of Brandon Cutler though. Is he just a jobber they hired to fill out the roster?
It's kind of stupid that the Dark Order defeated the Best Friends for the first round Bye, and then the Best friends are back in the first round...yet they have no spot for Angelico/Evans.
BFs had to still be in the tournament, otherwise the match wasn't for a bye, it would have just been a first round match.
I wish it was a bigger, longer tournament but it is what it is. They're having the next PPV a little earlier than I expected.
I do appreciate there is some intrigue to the tournament. I'm honestly not sure who is going to win, though I expect probably either the Bucks or Luchas.
Tournament bracket. Would be better without Dark Order having a bye I think. Still disappointed it's not a huge 14-team tournament, but at least we're getting a tournament instead of a Casino Battle Royale.
Angelico/Jack Evans and Jurassic Express are both winless in AEW so far, so they had a fan vote for the last spot. The other six teams all have wins.
I think that now that TV is actually starting, they won't use outside talent so a 14 team tag team tournament would be impossible unless they have tag teams made from single wrestlers (like WWE did the other night).
For as big of a pop Lucha Bros was getting at All Out, I could see it be them. We'll get a BF/Dark Order rematch, but this time OC will be there for the minions.
I'm pulling for Riho to win. I'm not expecting a long title run or great champion. But it would be nice to see a Japanese champion for one after how much talent their country has been providing AEW. Nyla Rose is going to be a staple for the women's division for years to come and will wear the belt plenty of times.
I'm pulling for Riho to win. I'm not expecting a long title run or great champion. But it would be nice to see a Japanese champion for one after how much talent their country has been providing AEW. Nyla Rose is going to be a staple for the women's division for years to come and will wear the belt plenty of times.
I'm fairly certain the plan all along has been for Nyla to win. We'll see if that changes based on the fact that Kylie Rae's gone (who would have had a fantastic match with Nyla).
My initial predictions:
Bucks vs Luchas is too predictable so I think one of them gets upset. I'm going to say Private Party upsets the Bucks, while Lucha Bros move on and win their bracket.
SCU beats BFs and then advance past Dark Order. I think they'll give Dark Order an out with a DQ because they want to keep them as a force so I don't see them taking a pinfall loss for a while.
Lucha Bros vs SCU for the titles. They already planted the seeds for a rematch after the match at Fight for the Fallen.
Lucha vs LAX at Full Gear.
Bucks vs Luchas is too predictable so I think one of them gets upset. I'm going to say Private Party upsets the Bucks, while Lucha Bros move on and win their bracket.
SCU beats BFs and then advance past Dark Order. I think they'll give Dark Order an out with a DQ because they want to keep them as a force so I don't see them taking a pinfall loss for a while.
Lucha Bros vs SCU for the titles. They already planted the seeds for a rematch after the match at Fight for the Fallen.
Lucha vs LAX at Full Gear.
I think that PP will upset the Bucks. Also Lucha Bros will beat JE. Then it will be Dark Order vs Best Friends.
Then it will be Lucha Bros in one side and Best Friends in the other side.
Best Friends win it all.
(Don't @ me! 😁)
Then it will be Lucha Bros in one side and Best Friends in the other side.
Best Friends win it all.
(Don't @ me! 😁)
I'm expecting:
Bucks > Private Party
Lucha > Jurassic (the story with Jurassic is Luchasaurus murders everyone but Jungle Boy is just too green so they lose matches... for now)
SCU > Best Friends
Bucks > Lucha (barn burner tv match)
Dark Order > SCU (getting the bye needs to pay off)
Bucks > Dark Order in the finals
Bucks > Private Party
Lucha > Jurassic (the story with Jurassic is Luchasaurus murders everyone but Jungle Boy is just too green so they lose matches... for now)
SCU > Best Friends
Bucks > Lucha (barn burner tv match)
Dark Order > SCU (getting the bye needs to pay off)
Bucks > Dark Order in the finals
Full Gear should have at least two major tag matches.
Bucks vs LAX and a Tag Title match.
LAX aren't getting a title shot when they haven't had any matches in AEW yet, let alone won any, so I would assume they either cost the Bucks their shot in the tournament or the Bucks just lose and LAX deliver another beat down post match to set up the PPV match.
Personally I hate the brackets they've chosen, all the best teams are left side, I'm looking at the right side and thinking none of those teams are winning the titles, there should be intrigue and my sole intrigue on right side is in whether Dark Order are given a significant makeover for TV but also get over in the coming weeks of TV. If they somehow do then I could see them having a shot.
Bucks vs LAX and a Tag Title match.
LAX aren't getting a title shot when they haven't had any matches in AEW yet, let alone won any, so I would assume they either cost the Bucks their shot in the tournament or the Bucks just lose and LAX deliver another beat down post match to set up the PPV match.
Personally I hate the brackets they've chosen, all the best teams are left side, I'm looking at the right side and thinking none of those teams are winning the titles, there should be intrigue and my sole intrigue on right side is in whether Dark Order are given a significant makeover for TV but also get over in the coming weeks of TV. If they somehow do then I could see them having a shot.
I think LAX have to be the challengers for the titles at Full Gear. How else are they going to determine a number one contender when the PPV is like a week after the tag champs are crowned? Their absence from the tournament is pretty conspicuous.
lol that tournament and the whole "first round bye" thing was really stupid and pointless if all the matches aren't happening on the same night.
They wouldn't have time to do all matches in the same show unless they had a lot of 7-10 minutes matches and for Tag Team wrestling that is a suck ass proposition.
I may have missed this, but have they announced how we will be able to stream the weekly show yet?
I'm betting all of that information will be revealed next week.
No more of the inserted pre-recorded interviews please. The green screen was ugh too, they couldn't get a real house to shoot in?
The point is that the bye is completely pointless if the other team isn't having a match before the match against the team that got a bye on the same night. The match the Dork Order won was just a first round match.
Potential tag title tournament spoiler
Lucha Bros are already booked elsewhere for the day the second round match is supposed to happen
I mean Lucha Bros over booking themselves is a constant.Potential tag title tournament spoiler
Lucha Bros are already booked elsewhere for the day the second round match is supposed to happen
They had that great interview w/ Nyla in the lead up to All Out.
Yeah that was damn good.
I've said it many times, but I really hope they use some of these packages in the shows themselves. They are great character builders. See: Darby Allin, Sammy Guevara, and now Riho.
That's why I think it's funny the Best Friends get a second shot.
If you listen to the All Out reaction show he did on his podcast, I couldn't tell you exactly when in the show but I'm sure Jericho mentions that he recorded some sort of promo with LAX.
The tv show card looks really decent and probably will give every match good time to develop. Not liking much how they are booking the matches to determine the first champions, but so far they are learning from their mistakes, so that's good.
AEW with booking nonsense?
We already starting with this before TV even happens? They've done enough good to deserve more optimism going into their debut.
WWE stans gotta slam AEW over every minor mistake they make to prove they're just as bad as (if not worse than) The Fed.
Just WWE fans being WWE fans. Like, if after a year they continue booking like that then yeah, but so far we only have few shows to start drawing conclusions.
I'm exited as fuck, don't get me wrong, love to see a new alternative besides WWE, but this whole "Imagine watching WWE, who still watches this shit, OMG look at Raw, how awful" attitude at the moment in this forum which is flooding the monthly threads like a pest, while AEW, already, does one stupid thing after another, is pissing me off recently.
I'm not really criticizing them for that, they need to get into it for the first months, so it's ok, I still can't wait to see them weekly, but it's the other side of people who praises them to the moon already while hating WWE, which is everything but fair, so I just have fun with pointing things like that out, to keep it kinda equal. ;)
It makes complete sense. The match was for a first round bye. The advantage for the Dark Order is that they are now already in the second round and only hace to win two more matches to win the belts. Best Friends have to win three like the other teams. If the Best Friends were eliminated from the tournament by losing the bye match, then that match wouldn't have been for a bye, it would have just been a first round match. I'm not sure why the whole tournament has to be in one night either.
So it'll be one of two outcomes:
1. PP upset YB, LB beat JE and BF beat SCU. This leads to LB losing to PP and BF getting revenge on DO accumulating to BF getting the tourney win
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2.PP upset Yb, LB beat JE (these two are constant) and SCU beating BF. Second round PP beat LB, DO beat SCU and ending with PP beating DO
I don't see them giving the strap to either Lucha bros or Young Bucks
1. PP upset YB, LB beat JE and BF beat SCU. This leads to LB losing to PP and BF getting revenge on DO accumulating to BF getting the tourney win
OR
2.PP upset Yb, LB beat JE (these two are constant) and SCU beating BF. Second round PP beat LB, DO beat SCU and ending with PP beating DO
I don't see them giving the strap to either Lucha bros or Young Bucks
This is not hard to understand.AEW with booking nonsense?
The match the Dark Order and Best Friends had was for a first round Bye. It was not the first round of the tournament. It was set up for the tournament.
Both teams were in the tournament regardless.
Angelico and Jack Evans being left out is leading to them being more disenfranchised and prone to outbursts. The fact that they're left out and the Dark Order aren't just fighting them for round one makes it seem like people have to actually earn their way into the tournament. I suppose you can hand wave off this and ask "Why do a fan vote for who makes it in?" I think that is a side effect of the weekly show not having started yet to build this stuff up traditionally. TBH them not being in the tournament isn't a huge loss. I doubt they'll be quiet about it.
To expand a little further- if the Best Friends were completely eliminated from the tournament by losing the bye, why did most of the other teams still get to be in it? The Dark Order and Best Friends beat Private Party, Jurassic Express, and SCU in qualifying matches for the shot at the bye. It would have made even less sense if all of those teams that lost in those matches were included in the tournament but Best Friends weren't. Essentially, the winners of those two triple threat matches automatically qualified for the tournament, AND got a chance to pass up the first round with another win.
This is exactly my point. Also, the Dark Order can scout their 2nd round opponents while they rest. Best Friends had to fight Dark Order, lost, now they have to wrestle SCU, win and then wrestle the Dark Order (again) who already know how to beat them (Dark Order won clean in the match at All Out).
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