I agree, all capitalist countries are right wing. I'm glad you've become a Marxist.
On a scale of honest posting where our government depends on someone being the adult in the room even when the other side is being pants shittingly evil and we call it out the whole time how fair do you think this is?On the left/right dichotomy where does providing funding for immigration concentration camps with no checks and balances and additional border security fall?
No, it wasn't ban-worthy, and if you and I agree, it must be wrong.
Well, at least with your definition there aren't many left governments :P
The Overton window is clearly further left than it was 10 years ago what are you rambling about
This is historical revisionism to the max.
The Dems of the 20s to about 50s we're all labor and unions.
Because the United States isn't other places, we got the two party system, Democratic party is a big tent and attacking fellow party members isn't seen as good for the whole unity message that is also being preached in the face of Trump.
Not that I'm aware of, should be noted I'm not a savant on national politics
I'm quite baffled by the posts like those you're responding to. All of the Dem candidates want some kind of health care for everyone. They want all of these things. Not sure why the fact that they can't get them due to the opposition party/voters means that they don't believe in them.
What makes you left is not unabashed support of socialism.Not quite. The democratic party never became a labour-based party or a socialist party. It was a liberal party with elements of organised labour supporting it - just as AOC said. It was also a party that had reactionary conservatives in it, especially in the south. And it was a party that had some centrist liberal business people in it, like (at the time) Ronald Reagan.
To give you an example - I'm a member of the Australian party. Under our party's rules, half of the delegates who get sent to our annual conference are trade union representatives. This makes is - structurally and ideologically - a labour based collectivist party, and to some extent it always will be.
That's extremely different to the democratic party, whose political traditions come more from social liberalism, where the focus is on the individual rather than the collective.
The democratic p[arty of 2016 has more in common with the British Gladstonian liberal tradition than socialism.
None of what you posted refutes anything that I said! The whole Obama didn't throw bankers in jail after the great recession talking point needs to die in a fucking fire.
The Wall Street executives and all the Bankers we hate so much broke no laws! Hence Glass-Steagall.
That was bad, but I think you might have quoted the wrong post.Wells Fargo was literally making their employees forge signatures and the only people they went after was the employees that were pressured into it.
unarguably true, the democrats sit on the right of the aisle and the republicans sit on the left, not sure what's even worth discussing here
lol, sorry, didn't mean to quote you.That was bad, but I think you might have quoted the wrong post.
Democrats are not acting like the adult in the room. They just took a pinky promise from Mike Pence instead of including it in any legislation.On a scale of honest posting where our government depends on someone being the adult in the room even when the other side is being pants shittingly evil and we call it out the whole time how fair do you think this is?
The Dems aren't campaigning on doing this stuff.
Except maybe Lapinski.
He sucks.
Her retreat came after Vice President Mike Pence gave Ms. Pelosi private assurances that the administration would abide by some of the restrictions she had sought. They included a requirement to notify lawmakers within 24 hours after the death of a migrant child in government custody, and a 90-day time limit on children spending time in temporary intake facilities, according to a person familiar with the discussions.
['Don't Talk to Her': We Toured the Troubled Border Station Housing Migrant Children.]
A last-minute revolt by centrist lawmakers ensured the demise of Ms. Pelosi's efforts to toughen the conditions in the Senate's $4.6 billion bill. The moderate Democrats had begun to worry about the possibility of leaving Washington on Friday for a weeklong July 4 recess without having cleared the humanitarian aid, and some were balking at a funding reduction for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. That left the House floor in chaos, with emotions running high.
Ms. Pelosi was left with little choice but to accept the less restrictive Senate bill, which had passed on a lopsided bipartisan vote this week and would do far less to rein in Mr. Trump's immigration crackdown.
You have to live in a cave and get all your news from some hipster podcast's half soaked in urine transcript to possibly believe we are further right than when Obama took office
If they didn't do the funding bills 100s of thousands of people go without pay.Democrats are not acting like the adult in the room. They just took a pinky promise from Mike Pence instead of including it in any legislation.
I guess because it's trolling to a bannable degree?
Well the ACA was based on pre-existing Republican healthcare models. But I think Obama's point is that the GOP has gone so far to the right, with Dems on the back foot for the better part of 50 years, that the conditions in the US for any sort of socialist or leftist platform in the party were virtually impossible.If you don't like AOC, listen to Barack Obama:
The Democratic Party is largely a center or even center-conservative party.
What makes you left is not unabashed support of socialism.
That just makes you a leftist.
You have to live in a cave and get all your news from some hipster podcast's half soaked in urine transcript to possibly believe we are further right than when Obama took office
I agree, all capitalist countries are right wing. I'm glad you've become a Marxist.
AOC with a pretty rational take on the Democratic Party.
She uses the example of not being able to get a floor vote on M4A. It's a legitimate concern for the left who want to get important policies enacted against an uphill battle from both the Democratic and Republican parties.
✊🏻All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.
On a scale of honest posting where our government depends on someone being the adult in the room even when the other side is being pants shittingly evil and we call it out the whole time how fair do you think this is?
The Dems aren't campaigning on doing this stuff.
Except maybe Lapinski.
He sucks.
She endorsed him back in October:Then create one with Bernie if you have nothing better to do than create division amongst Democrats.
All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.
lol what happened! whats up with that
My point being that your country's response was probably to the right of the one Obama took, though I can't say for sure without knowing who.
Man if every poliera thread had jokes like these I'd post more often
Then create one with Bernie if you have nothing better to do than create division amongst Democrats.
If Warren and our I'll have the way we won't be.In the American tradition of framing that's correct, but not everywhere else.
Outside North America, "liberalism" isn't considered "left wing". It's considered as a centrist ideology centered around individual freedoms and liberties.
Social democracy is a different beast to centrist liberalism.
You say that like divisions don't already exists with in the partyThen create one with Bernie if you have nothing better to do than create division amongst Democrats.
The progressives outnumber the blue dogs by a hefty margin.The majority of Democrats are corporatist centrists, a few right leaning conservative Democrats, and a small cohort of progressives.
I'd argue that it's literally never been easier for normal folks to enter the stock market and take advantage of any gains. Plus that's literally what a 401k is, rather than a pension which was in the hands of those running it (and getting scammed by subprime mortgage investing, etc.).The Stock Market in its current iteration only helps the rich get richer, and the working class doesn't have the funds to even take advantage of it. Just look at the elimination of pensions for 401K.