Most of this thread is proof that it hasn't, at least not nearly to the same degree
Why would anybody use imdb as a metric of anything. People who rank on imdb are the same ones that made TDK the highest rated movie ever made and multiple others when they came out. They rank in 1's or 10s and nothing in between. How much of the general viewing audience do you think goes online to rank movies on imdb, anyway?People's eyes . Not critics.
Not like it matters that much, but IW has 8.5/10 on IMDB with 616k votes while Avatar has 7.8/10 on IMDB with 1.063 mill votes.
It's not touching 600M OW.
Also films don't gross more on Thursday previews than they do on full Fri-Sun viewings. Based on your Thursday number Endgame would do closer to 1B OW.
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He's right. It hasn't.
WW? Sure eventually as more movies start doing more simulataneous WW releases. Endgame might being dangerously close to 900 million WW.
Titanic received the exact same widespread backlash (after being an audience darling) that Avatar did once it became the box office champ. Then, when Avatar took the crown, Titanic suddenly experienced newfound appreciation all over again.He's right. It hasn't.
Though, I'm not sure why Sculli mentioned Titanic alongside Avatar. Unlike Avatar, that movie still seems to be loved.
You would have to only exist in the Resetera bubble if you think Titanic has had any "heel" turn. The movie is widely beloved, more so than even Avatar.Titanic received the exact same widespread backlash (after being an audience darling) that Avatar did once it became the box office champ. Then, when Avatar took the crown, Titanic suddenly experienced newfound appreciation all over again.
That's my point. Nobody likes the king of the mountain. It makes one less unique if they're aligned with the pinnacle of mainstream entertainment. If Endgame somehow pulled an extra $800m out of its ass over Infinity War, it would be interesting to see the same critical heel turn happen.
Dude. I dunno where you were. This isn't even a controversial opinion.You would have to only exist in the Resetera bubble if you think Titanic has had any "heel" turn. The movie is widely beloved, more so than even Avatar.
If you are talking about Titanic getting backlash back in 1997-1998 when it released.. I don't even know what to tell you. Or when it got re-release which so few people even knew it got re-released to begin with..
You are going to find random hate for anything popular. Just had a thread for Endgame on here that was "so who here is NOT watching Endgame?" People hate on IW too.
Derided where? On the internet... in 1998? Or by general public? I have been across 4 continents and I have legitimately never heard anyone say that Titanic was a bad movie in person in that time span. Certainly nothing that I would describe as "derided to hell and back". Again, you are probably talking about a microcosm of internet folks who got salty their favorite movie didnt come close to Titanic which absolutely does not represent a general viewpoint.Dude. I dunno where you were. This isn't even a controversial opinion.
Between 1998 (once it took the crown) and 2009, Titanic was derided to hell and back. It was a critical darling on release and is looked back on fondly now. But you must have been living under a rock.
Everywhere. I'm not talking just about forum bubbles.Derided where? On the internet... in 1998? Or by general public? I have been across 4 continents and I have legitimately never heard anyone say that Titanic was a bad movie in person in that time span. Certainly nothing that I would describe as "derided to hell and back". Again, you are probably talking about a microcosm of internet folks who got salty their favorite movie didnt come close to Titanic which absolutely does not represent a general viewpoint.
Derided where? On the internet... in 1998? Or by general public? I have been across 4 continents and I have legitimately never heard anyone say that Titanic was a bad movie in person in that time span. Certainly nothing that I would describe as "derided to hell and back". Again, you are probably talking about a microcosm of internet folks who got salty their favorite movie didnt come close to Titanic which absolutely does not represent a general viewpoint.
Titanic did initially receive backlash from dudebros as being a "chick flick", and Leonardo DiCaprio was dismissed as a superficial "pretty boy", which led him to choose more dark and grittier roles.
MovieBob made a pretty good video on the subject:
Titanic did initially receive backlash from dudebros as being a "chick flick", and Leonardo DiCaprio was dismissed as a superficial "pretty boy", which led him to choose more dark and grittier roles.
MovieBob made a pretty good video on the subject:
It was the majority of men, actually. Wikipedia has an interesting anecdote that notes that because men crying in movies was perceived as feminine for a good while back then, men in general vehemently tried to distance themselves from the film and voice their dislike of it.This is spot on to what I remember. I do not recall widespread hate outside of that segment.
Outside of early teens who were jealous of all the girls who were thirsty for Leo at no point was there a giant heel turn against Titanic. That movie has basically been loved since day one.Dude. I dunno where you were. This isn't even a controversial opinion.
Between 1998 (once it took the crown) and 2009, Titanic was derided to hell and back. It was a critical darling on release and is looked back on fondly now. But you must have been living under a rock.
I do remember some men hating on the film due it being labeled a "chick flick" and the overall length.It was the majority of men, actually. Wikipedia has an interesting anecdote that notes that because men crying in movies was perceived as feminine for a good while back then, men in general vehemently tried to distance themselves from the film and voice their dislike of it.
If you were in school/high school during that time, you would see the same insecure hate for the film all the time.
You're living in a fantasy world. It wasn't just teens. Just google "Titanic backlash" and feel free to trawl the countless articles documenting and examining the phenomena both at the time and more recently.Outside of early teens who were jealous of all the girls who were thirsty for Leo at no point was there a giant heel turn against Titanic. That movie has basically been loved since day one.
Keep fighting the god fightWell, yeah. Online ticket records will continue to be broken until it levels out. BO is what matters.
I was fully in the middle of the "titanic backlash" and it stopped the moment you got away from anyone who was remotely secure about themselves. Titanic's "backlash" didn't feel any bigger than the traditional backlash you get from other Best Picture winners.You're living in a fantasy world. It wasn't just teens. Just google "Titanic backlash" and feel free to trawl the countless articles documenting and examining the phenomena both at the time and more recently.
I understand now that you didn't anecdotally experience it. Cool. But it was a widespread thing whether you personally encountered it or not.
Nah. They're the same size. Avatar's detractor base have just been given larger voices these days due to movie fanboy sites and YouTube channels becoming popular.I was fully in the middle of the "titanic backlash" and it stopped the moment you got away from anyone who was remotely secure about themselves. Titanic's "backlash" didn't feel any bigger than the traditional backlash you get from other Best Picture winners.
Comparatively the backlash against Avatar is an entirely different and bigger beast
Mind blowingThe film opens in China before the US, so they're saying $900 million opening weekend is possible.
Titanic did initially receive backlash from dudebros as being a "chick flick", and Leonardo DiCaprio was dismissed as a superficial "pretty boy", which led him to choose more dark and grittier roles.
MovieBob made a pretty good video on the subject:
titanic is definitely still as relevant as it was
no one ever goes "i remember the first time I watched avatar, still as timeless as ever."
I never really got what Avatar did that was so hype inducing at the time. Atleast with titanic it was a great movie with great word of mouth. Truly worth being called one of the all time greats.
Avatar felt more like a media creation due to the star power of James cameron and the fact that he spent so much on graphics and rendering technology
I never really got what Avatar did that was so hype inducing at the time. Atleast with titanic it was a great movie with great word of mouth. Truly worth being called one of the all time greats.
Avatar felt more like a media creation due to the star power of James cameron and the fact that he spent so much on graphics and rendering technology
It was the 3D; that's all it really was.Avatar was entirely word of mouth post-release. There was very little hype for Avatar before it came out. Everyone was convinced it was gonna bomb. It had an okay opening weekend but then it just kept making money in a way that's never really happened before. I don't fully understand it either but there had to be something that clicked with general audiences to trigger that kind of word of mouth.
I mean, we literally have a topic about Japanese game sales every week. Sales of stuff is just one of the things that we talk about on this forum.Why are people so obsessed about movies making more money than some other movie? What is this supposed to mean?
helps me satisfy my betting addiction without possibly getting my toes cut offWhy are people so obsessed about movies making more money than some other movie? What is this supposed to mean?
This dumb revisionist history needs to stop. The film's 2D version smashed home release records and was the top seller for years on end until Frozen toppled it.
Avatar was, is, and will always be the best 3D Cinema experience ever made. That's what propelled it.
I don't even think I've seen it more than twice but that theatre experience was mind-blowing.