I didn't say he should cry.Hawkeye crying for sacrificing his bow will be a laughing stock in the same degree as Batman shouting MARTHA in BvS
I didn't say he should cry.Hawkeye crying for sacrificing his bow will be a laughing stock in the same degree as Batman shouting MARTHA in BvS
I really hate this explanation and it feels like revisionism to me.
Personally, I was thinking of the moment as more of a good opportunity for a joke to subvert the audience. So you know, not hamming it up like that even in a more realistic way. Basically, the Soul Stone trial is crappy writing in IW and I would rather they have not double downed on it in EG in all ways.actually I've got it. this is all make believe right? so let's just get rid of Black Widow's character entirely. you can't trust these studios and writers with her anyway so just write her out completely. makes sense to me, she's not even real. instead we'll have a few moments throughout the movie with Clint alone where he hears this faint whisper but can't place where it's coming from or if he's just imagining it. then he goes to Vormir alone. Red Skull tells him the rules and he starts going on about how he's alone, what the hell is he supposed to do now, travel back in time to get someone he loves and then come back, the fate of the universe is on the line, etc. you can feel the anxiety and tension build as it seems like he's not going to be able to do what he needs to be able to do. then he hears that faint whisper again. he looks around befuddled. Red Skull doesn't hear it. the whisper continues to get louder and louder. "Clint.........Cliiiiint...........it's me. the one you've always loved. Cliiiiiiiint." Clint stops everything he's doing as he hears these words. he takes a second to take it all in, mouth slightly agape as the realization comes across his face. you see a single tear form in his eye as he reaches his hand up behind his shoulder to intimately touch one of his arrows. "please........not you," Clint whispers with more tears starting to stream down his face. he knows now what he has to do. he tries to compose himself while he starts walking towards the cliff slowly taking his gear off as he gets closer. he now has all of his gear in his hand, his bow, his arrows, all of his custom arrow tips. he peeks over the edge of the cliff and gives his gear one last look and then he does it. he throws his bow and arrows over the cliff watching intently as they all fall. his tear-filled eyes never blink as he watches his one true love fall to its death. he hears "Clint.......Clint........it's ok........I..........love..............." but before the last word can be uttered the bow and arrows smack on the ground. Clint quickly shifts his gaze elsewhere, not wanting to see what remains. he's now weeping. Red Skull even comes over to try and console him but Clint brushes him off. as Clint falls to the ground weeping he looks up to the sky as the clouds part preparing to give him the stone for his sacrifice. he screams "WHY?!?!?!?! WHYYYYYY?!?!?!" and as he opens his mouth the scream once more everything cuts to black. then we see Clint laying in the puddle with that citrine glow coming out of his right hand. the deed is done. a soul for a soul.
Okay, but Black Widow isn't the one who wrote that scene and the discussion is about the people who wrote that scene.People really complaining about Nat's last scene? If it wasn't for her, they would have never gotten all the stones in the first place. She made the hardest decision out of anyone during the time heist prior to Tony's finale. In the beginning of the movie she's saying "if there's a chance to bring everyone back we owe it to everyone not in this room to at least try". She doesn't have the powers that both Caps have, she's just a human. And she's still brave enough to give fighting Thanos a (obviously losing) shot.
actually I've got it. this is all make believe right? so let's just get rid of Black Widow's character entirely. you can't trust these studios and writers with her anyway so just write her out completely. makes sense to me, she's not even real. instead we'll have a few moments throughout the movie with Clint alone where he hears this faint whisper but can't place where it's coming from or if he's just imagining it. then he goes to Vormir alone. Red Skull tells him the rules and he starts going on about how he's alone, what the hell is he supposed to do now, travel back in time to get someone he loves and then come back, the fate of the universe is on the line, etc. you can feel the anxiety and tension build as it seems like he's not going to be able to do what he needs to be able to do. then he hears that faint whisper again. he looks around befuddled. Red Skull doesn't hear it. the whisper continues to get louder and louder. "Clint.........Cliiiiint...........it's me. the one you've always loved. Cliiiiiiiint." Clint stops everything he's doing as he hears these words. he takes a second to take it all in, mouth slightly agape as the realization comes across his face. you see a single tear form in his eye as he reaches his hand up behind his shoulder to intimately touch one of his arrows. "please........not you," Clint whispers with more tears starting to stream down his face. he knows now what he has to do. he tries to compose himself while he starts walking towards the cliff slowly taking his gear off as he gets closer. he now has all of his gear in his hand, his bow, his arrows, all of his custom arrow tips. he peeks over the edge of the cliff and gives his gear one last look and then he does it. he throws his bow and arrows over the cliff watching intently as they all fall. his tear-filled eyes never blink as he watches his one true love fall to its death. he hears "Clint.......Clint........it's ok........I..........love..............." but before the last word can be uttered the bow and arrows smack on the ground. Clint quickly shifts his gaze elsewhere, not wanting to see what remains. he's now weeping. Red Skull even comes over to try and console him but Clint brushes him off. as Clint falls to the ground weeping he looks up to the sky as the clouds part preparing to give him the stone for his sacrifice. he screams "WHY?!?!?!?! WHYYYYYY?!?!?!" and as he opens his mouth to scream once more everything cuts to black. then we see Clint laying in the puddle with that citrine glow coming out of his right hand. the deed is done. a soul for a soul.
Okay, but Black Widow isn't the one who wrote that scene and the discussion is about the people who wrote that scene.
The fuck just happened here why did i end up in a lame fanfiction thread
Mjolnir is psionically controlled. I do believe it's a retcon, but:The problem is that it doesn't match with the scene. We see Rogers doing the best he can do to lift up the hammer, and the hammer just barely moves. Just by how Rogers approaches the hammer to lift it, if he could wield it he would already had it in his hammer before realising "fuck, I can actually lift this shit".
I'm sure if your suggestion of replacement actually resonates, people would not resist so much. However, as it stands, you are suggesting a joke-y scene that's not even really clever. "Why can't Hawkeye throw down his weapon because it has sentimental value right?" was something most everyone would think about to get out of that situation, up there with "why can't they just attack Red Skull and throw him down instead". And for what? To take away an original Avenger's awesome moment because a female superhero's heroic sacrifice simply happens so often in cinema? I really can't agree with that; it's just subversion for the sake of subversion.Okay, but Black Widow isn't the one who wrote that scene and the discussion is about the people who wrote that scene.
I'm talking about the decisions they made. There's been this common disconnect in this thread. I'm talking about this movie like a movie that was writen and produced by a studio and I'm talking about the movie from the perspective of that process. The majority of people are responding as if the movie as if it is representing some non-fictional piece of history. I am aware that people here know this is fiction, but people are responding in ways that make it sound like theyre not treating it that way.
Mjolnir is psionically controlled. I do believe it's a retcon, but:
If Steve just want3d to participate in the good time with his friends, but not actually lift Mjolnir himself and embarrass everyone else, when it budged the second he thought about it staying put, it would stay put no matter how hard he pulled.
actually I've got it. this is all make believe right? so let's just get rid of Black Widow's character entirely. you can't trust these studios and writers with her anyway so just write her out completely. makes sense to me, she's not even real. instead we'll have a few moments throughout the movie with Clint alone where he hears this faint whisper but can't place where it's coming from or if he's just imagining it. then he goes to Vormir alone. Red Skull tells him the rules and he starts going on about how he's alone, what the hell is he supposed to do now, travel back in time to get someone he loves and then come back, the fate of the universe is on the line, etc. you can feel the anxiety and tension build as it seems like he's not going to be able to do what he needs to be able to do. then he hears that faint whisper again. he looks around befuddled. Red Skull doesn't hear it. the whisper continues to get louder and louder. "Clint.........Cliiiiint...........it's me. the one you've always loved. Cliiiiiiiint." Clint stops everything he's doing as he hears these words. he takes a second to take it all in, mouth slightly agape as the realization comes across his face. you see a single tear form in his eye as he reaches his hand up behind his shoulder to intimately touch one of his arrows. "please........not you," Clint whispers with more tears starting to stream down his face. he knows now what he has to do. he tries to compose himself while he starts walking towards the cliff slowly taking his gear off as he gets closer. he now has all of his gear in his hand, his bow, his arrows, all of his custom arrow tips. he peeks over the edge of the cliff and gives his gear one last look and then he does it. he throws his bow and arrows over the cliff watching intently as they all fall. his tear-filled eyes never blink as he watches his one true love fall to its death. he hears "Clint.......Clint........it's ok........I..........love..............." but before the last word can be uttered the bow and arrows smack on the ground. Clint quickly shifts his gaze elsewhere, not wanting to see what remains. he's now weeping. Red Skull even comes over to try and console him but Clint brushes him off. as Clint falls to the ground weeping he looks up to the sky as the clouds part preparing to give him the stone for his sacrifice. he screams "WHY?!?!?!?! WHYYYYYY?!?!?!" and as he opens his mouth to scream once more everything cuts to black. then we see Clint laying in the puddle with that citrine glow coming out of his right hand. the deed is done. a soul for a soul.
Hawkeye crying for sacrificing his bow will be a laughing stock in the same degree as Batman shouting MARTHA in BvS
MBaku was literally running next to cap in the final battle.I was just trying to think, what significant characters DIDN'T show up in this movie? I mean, they even got retired actor Robert Redford for this (though it is possible they filmed it before he filmed his last movie).
All I can think about is Jane's assistant, and some other dead characters like Vision and Odin. They even fit in Selvig in there (in screenshot form). I don't recall seeing M'Baku in the Wakanda crew, but I could've easily just missed him.
Well there you go. While they did a commendable job trying to keep things clear, there was too much to possibly absorb it all the first time around.
Robert Redford announced his retirement after he shot this movie, but before the Old Man & the Gun came out.I was just trying to think, what significant characters DIDN'T show up in this movie? I mean, they even got retired actor Robert Redford for this (though it is possible they filmed it before he filmed his last movie).
All I can think about is Jane's assistant, and some other dead characters like Vision and Odin. They even fit in Selvig in there (in screenshot form). I don't recall seeing M'Baku in the Wakanda crew, but I could've easily just missed him.
Ross was in the funeral scene. Betty isn't there, but Liv Tyler hasn't been a thing since the Hulk movie (which is probably the movie most detached from the overall MCU).Robert Redford announced his retirement after he shot this movie, but before the Old Man & the Gun came out.
M'Baku led the Wakandan chant during the big gathering. Though speaking of, I suppose Nakia or Everett Ross are missing.
I meant Black Panther's Everett Ross, not the Hulk's Thaddeus Ross. He's not there, right?Ross was in the funeral scene. Betty isn't there, but Liv Tyler hasn't been a thing since the Hulk movie (which is probably the movie most detached from the overall MCU).
So the list so far of living significant characters not in Endgame is Nakia, Darcy, and Betty Ross.
Whoops, you're right. I got my Ross's mixed up. Add him to the list!I meant Black Panther's Everett Ross, not the Hulk's Thaddeus Ross. He's not there, right?
Hawkeye crying for sacrificing his bow will be a laughing stock in the same degree as Batman shouting MARTHA in BvS
Tony Stark would've loved for Ross to have to come and kiss the ring after Tony sacrificed himself to save the world.
I meant Black Panther's Everett Ross, not the Hulk's Thaddeus Ross. He's not there, right?
I was just trying to think, what significant characters DIDN'T show up in this movie? I mean, they even got retired actor Robert Redford for this (though it is possible they filmed it before he filmed his last movie).
All I can think about is Jane's assistant, and some other dead characters like Vision and Odin. They even fit in Selvig in there (in screenshot form). I don't recall seeing M'Baku in the Wakanda crew, but I could've easily just missed him.
No way to fit him in considering he's dead in the present day and was dead during the Avengers 2012 scenes
No way to fit him in considering he's dead in the present day and was dead during the Avengers 2012 scenes
He died again? He was brought back to life in the Shield TV show.
Yes, but from the commercials for season 6, it seems like he's back again. I've avoided spoilers, but from what I gather, he thinks he is (or possibly straight up is) a completely different character.He died again? He was brought back to life in the Shield TV show.
He died again? He was brought back to life in the Shield TV show.
Are those marks on his neck from the snap?Been thinking about the gauntlet. Safe to say Thanos's gauntlet channel the stones properly, this was shown when it stops hurting him after he put the final stone at the end of IW.
Then the snap happen; the gauntlet is now toast with his injury being pretty minimal.
Something interesting to note, time stone doesn't seem to reverse the snap injury or the damage done to the gauntlet.
Few days later, he did the 2nd snap to destroy the stones except this time it was with a broken gauntlet causing the injury to be more severe.
And on his shoulder, yes, it seems that entire half is a bit charred. I thought it was clear the first snap was disfiguring.