Got it, so I guess then you just have to decide who's going to sacrifice themselves to bring back Tony.
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(Avengers Endgame Spoilers) Why didn't they just use the Infinity Stones to...
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Got it, so I guess then you just have to decide who's going to sacrifice themselves to bring back Tony.
And maybe it was different?
We don't know what happened there.
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Wwwweeeellll, they do have a big green guy around that the movie establishes can survive using the gauntlet.
He survived once and seems to have gotten pretty fucked up by it. Is it worth risking his life to do it a second time?
At what point do you rewind time to bring back Tony? Before or after he has all the stone, as remember, once he got all the stone. He was struggling to breath with the snap finishing off an already weakened Tony.
They would have to rewind time to the moment before he grabbed the stone and in doing that would also bring back Thanos. Also don't forget in Dr. Strange, Mordo warned Strange that messing with Time could cause unknown dangerous effects.
Finally, we don't know if Pepper overruled them and shot their attempt down in bringing back Tony.
No he couldn't, mentally Thor wasn't at the top of his game hence why the team didn't let him do the snap.
Wwwweeeellll said big green guy injured his arm and barely survived the first snap.
They would have to rewind time to the moment before he grabbed the stone and in doing that would also bring back Thanos. Also don't forget in Dr. Strange, Mordo warned Strange that messing with Time could cause unknown dangerous effects.
Finally, we don't know if Pepper overruled them and shot their attempt down in bringing back Tony.
No he couldn't, mentally Thor wasn't at the top of his game hence why the team didn't let him do the snap.
Wwwweeeellll said big green guy injured his arm and barely survived the first snap.
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I'm pretty sure the energy emission of the gauntlet and stones are proportional with the task executed, seen with how freely Thanos used the stones in Inifinity War. Thanos and Hulk both suffered major damage because of the scale of an universal snap. 1 life should really not be a major toll for Hulk.
Or because she's empowered by one of the stones the gauntlet wouldn't work or it'd absolutely kill her.
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Yeah, after using them on an universal scale. Before that he used the stones to: cover up an an entire planet in an illusion, turned blasters in to bubbles, hurled a moon at Iron Man, reversed time. Local use of the gauntlet's powers is child's play.
People saying Carol should've done it are weird, she doesn't even know him like that, nor is it wise to just assume she'd come out unscathed.
Grabbing another Tony/Natasha is immoral, like that should go without saying. Gamora's situation was an accident.
Grabbing another Tony/Natasha is immoral, like that should go without saying. Gamora's situation was an accident.
The gauntlet they made disappears with Thanos and Tony's nanomachines that made a temp-Gaunlet on his hand get fried by the snap. If just the time stone was used the snap would be undone. If you used the soul stone you'd basically be dealing with a dead/zombie Tony instead. The reality stone would be an illusion Tony and a temporary one.
I'm going to give the same answer that James Cameron gave to myth busters when they asked him about jack being able to into the door float:
The script said he needs to stay dead.
The script said he needs to stay dead.
I don't know if the scale matters. I'm sure someone here knows though.
I wonder if the stones interaction would be different/dangerous with her considering the source of her power.
Bring back Vision. Slap the glove on him, give Tony a battle rez, Vision is dead again, and nothing of value is lost.
And humans have been able to handle the Time Stone, yes.
That doesn't necessarily mean anyone can just use the Soul Stone to bring someone back, the rules were never established for it.
Just like humans can't handle the Power Stone on their own, maybe nobody can do the Soul Stone.
The Gauntlet the Avengers used was built with Stark Nano-tech technology, the same tech used in Tony's suit so he just used the tech and interacted with the stark gauntlet and passed it over to him.
I dunno, seems like a stretch to say that's why she can't handle it.
Lol now that's a good question.
Ultimately, the stones are magic. They "could" do anything the writers decide they're capable of doing. They choose what works for the story they want to tell.
The Hulk lost the use of his arm that way. The writers said he is permanently hurt. Technically, he could do it again with his other arm...
No it doesn't.
Because that Tony and Nat would be screwing over their own timeline by leaving. And that Tony would be leaving behind his family, which is why these "Why didn't they just grab a past Tony?" theories are bullshit too.
Because it'e a story with time travel. There's no reason why they couldn't. They just wanted to kill RDJ off and so that's what we got. It's a major plot hole but oh well it's Marvel. You weren't expecting quality logic were you?
Hawkeye could have done it and at most he'd have got a stubbed toe but he also knows that Tony is too annoying to be brought back.
Weird, I was in the impression that he liked being part of the MCU a lot.
Like, they could have had Tony's AI assistant do it while in a robot. The rules with the stones are really strange. What's to stop them from remotely controlling the glove and doing the snap? It's still a user doing the snap and it's their thoughts. There's nothing in there that says a sentient life needs to be touching the stone for it to activate as a celestial puts the power stone in a hammer, the mind stone in a staff, tesseract in a cube, etc.
For Thanos, it is.
Hulk couldn't even wear the thing without being put through immense pain. Ordinary people can't just rock the gauntlet like that.
No, he didn't.
He went back and lived with a different Peggy, from another timeline. There's nothing immoral about that. Whatever husband and kids she lived life with in the prime timeline is unaffected there. Nothing gets erased.
Can't say I agree, literally feels like "Yeah, we don't wanna answer that question". Out of everything we know from the MCU interpretation of these characters, there really shouldn't be any reason Captain Marvel couldn't handle at least one snap much like Hulk did. Not saying she should be able to snap with no damage tho.
At the very least, she'd be maiming herself. They explain why that'd be in the movie.
You not accepting that is a you problem, not a "they're ignoring this" thing.
My whole argument was just that Captain Marvel SHOULD be able to do it without dying with everything we know.
Eh, "y'all saying Carol can't handle the stones is BS" is pretty vague, bruh.
And expecting her to snap and just...maim herself permanently (at best) like that when more than just Earth depends on her is pretty silly.
There's no writing inconsistency here.
So Hulk brought back people from the snap and deaths because of the snap?
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Only the snap. Tony tells him specifically to focus on only bringing back the snapped people.
Liking being in the movies doesn't mean he's about to take a paycut. If you know your worth in Hollywood, you typically don't want to suggest to others that you will work for cheap.
We don't really know that it worked for Gamora. She likely went back to her timeline after the battle.
because it's a work of fiction and the story dictated that stark had to sacrifice himself to save his universe
Lol no she didn't. How would she?
She's still in the present, which will be explored in Guardians 3. But that has no bearing on using the same method to bring back Tony as there's absolutely no reason for a past Tony to up and abandon his timeline.
As we knew they would.
not if you just time displace them. I really hate that Gamorra is back. Should be gone like widow
For all intents and purposes, she's not really back. It's a whole different Gamora, without the experiences of the one we'd come to know (who is gone forever).
No idea what y'all are on with this.