Bernie Sanders endorsed TYT founder and carpetbagger Cenk Uygur in CA 25 Congressional Race (UP: Sanders retracts endorsement) [SEE STAFF POST]

Psychoward

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I know it's just some random twitter person but man I sure do love undermining AOC and her team's accomplishments to praise a misogynist instead
 

phanphare

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he could've just not

but I'm glad he rescinded and acknowledged the blowback from his supporters
 

Nerokis

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2010ish me was wrong about a whole lot of things

the negative impression of Cenk I formed around that period, though, has held up a little too well
 

The Adder

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Sanders' issue, I am guessing, is less directly his desire to support his loyalists and more his willingness to abandon the making of these kinds of decisions to the loyalists already in his circle. Sanders has not done a great job of putting anyone with an ounce of political wisdon in his orbit and so they keep telling him to do this dumb shit, which he does.

Meanwhile he doesn't get enough pushback when he makes these sorts of errors from his base to not keep making them. Trump's base was never not going to vote for him and even they don't hesitate to get pissy about him doing things they don't like (retreating away from his bigoted platform in any way). Sanders' base consistently molly coddles decisions like this and attacks anyone, including their own, for calling him on it.
 

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Glad he retracted. When I was introduced to TYT (in 2016) I had to stop watching because of Cenk. I just didn't like him or the majority of the people around him. Didn't know why at the time, but this thread has filled in the gaps on that. It'd be nice if Bernie could get ahead of this in the future.
 

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Sanders is playing Plinko with my respect for him. Just watching the puck clink steadily downward. Really disappointed. The fact that he's still my number 2 pick says a lot more about my estimation of the other candidates.

Edit: Jeez those twitter replies. This election is going to be a big mess.
 

jerf

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Evil wins because good is stupid

God dammit it’s like they are trying to lose
 

Mercury Fred

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Sanders hired that staffer did he? The issue here would be with whomever screened said staffer.
Staffers. It's two separate terrible people just a few months apart.

And it's part of his campaign. His endorsement of Cenk is part of a patten of very poor choices/ poor vetting when it comes to hires, endorsements and associates.
 

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Staffers. It's two separate terrible people just a few months apart.

And it's part of his campaign. His endorsement of Cenk is part of a patten of very poor choices/ poor vetting when it comes to hires, endorsements and associates.
I honestly haven’t seen anything to suggest that Sanders is worse than the norm when it comes to issues whilst running a long term nation wide operation.
 

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I honestly haven’t seen anything to suggest that Sanders is worse than the norm when it comes to issues whilst running a long term nation wide operation.

I feel like a lot of his missteps could be avoided by properly vetting people. But he's too eager to reward loyalty.
 

Mercury Fred

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I honestly haven’t seen anything to suggest that Sanders is worse than the norm when it comes to issues whilst running a long term nation wide operation.
No one else is hiring as consistently poorly or making as disastrous choices. The campaign continues to throw in with sexists, homophobes and bigots of all stripes. It's great that they're removing these folks, un-endorsing etc, but the lack of vetting and the continual cozying up to these types is disturbing and uniquely awful.
 

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You don't get a pat on the back for quitting after you've already been fired. It looks like the TYT jerk shut the door in his face before Sanders chose to walk out on his own, so I'm not sure why he would get credit for the retraction.
 

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Sanders' issue, I am guessing, is less directly his desire to support his loyalists and more his willingness to abandon the making of these kinds of decisions to the loyalists already in his circle. Sanders has not done a great job of putting anyone with an ounce of political wisdon in his orbit and so they keep telling him to do this dumb shit, which he does.

Meanwhile he doesn't get enough pushback when he makes these sorts of errors from his base to not keep making them. Trump's base was never not going to vote for him and even they don't hesitate to get pissy about him doing things they don't like (retreating away from his bigoted platform in any way). Sanders' base consistently molly coddles decisions like this and attacks anyone, including their own, for calling him on it.
I agree with what you assume is the reason for these types of fuck ups (leaving decisions to loyalists in his circle), but I think his supporters have been pushing back on these fuck ups which is why he retracted this endorsement and even put out a statement himself about it.

I don't think he did that with the guy who was fired for homophobic tweets? So I'm wondering if this one being a magnitude larger both in the response from his supporters and from himself will mean that something is done to ensure it doesn't happen again or at least with much less frequency. I wouldn't mind if this came up in a future debate.

To be clear, I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt here as he's my choice in the primary just as I assume others have been willing to overlook issues with their candidate of choice.
 

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You don't get a pat on the back for quitting after you've already been fired. It looks like the TYT jerk shut the door in his face before Sanders chose to walk out on his own, so I'm not sure why he would get credit for the retraction.

Reads more like Cenk letting Sanders save face by giving him an out to me.
 

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Storytime, I guess.

I feel like back in the time before the Bush presidency the Daily Show didn't have a meaningful editorial voice. Sure, the news could be made fun of, but there was no particularly great angle to the jokes beyond 'ha-ha look at this shit'. Sort of like the Florida Man stuff you see today, here's something fucked up that happened. This was, after all, the Comedy Central that was giving us South Park at just about the same time.

It wasn't really until the Iraq War hit and the media's attempt to build a justification for it that the show really found a coherent voice, mission, and audience. "Hey, did you watch the Daily Show last night?" suddenly became a catchphrase and the sort of water cooler discussion that you might hear. Bush was, yes, a controversial figure worthy of disrespect from most, and that and the transparent lies from the news taking a front-and-center position made it a major contributor to the US's national discourse. We get Al Franken tearing into the GOP news machine with Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them, and John Stewart not too long later (2005) going onto a CNN program and managing to own them so hard they cancel the show for nearly a decade.

Then Obama becomes president. And now we wind up in a different circumstance. Bush and the general news media are easy to rip into because they're conservative enough that TDS is left enough that they can make cogent criticism that feeds into the start of a new youth-driven leftist movement that's starting to make itself seen and heard everywhere from Wall Street to the local ballot boxes. Now, the politics of the man in charge and the one show that actually held him check are aligned. The rest of the media doesn't give a shit as long as they retain access to power, except for the ones using the unprecedented state of a black man at the head of the federal government to rile up a new revanchist movement that wanted to keep him in check. Those of you familiar with some of WEB DuBois's letters and articles in the time of reconstruction may recognize this was the same sort of mocking and sandbagging that newly elected Black representatives faced in that era. Finding themselves politically aligned, TDS as a show was now rising to defend Obama; they were not prepared nor interested in criticizing him from the left in general. They were not always pulling punches, but the show was of a very different tenor to the Bush years. One of the more notable public stunts was Stewart now hosting "The Rally to Restore Sanity", a day's live program that may as well have existed to throw a smokescreen over the purpose and validity of politicized anger.

And the problem is, of course, that Obama isn't inherently above criticism as a leader either. [Charles Pierce voice] If Anwar and Abduhlraman al-Alwaki were still alive, they'd probably agree that wearing a tan suit was Obama's biggest political misstep as president.

So during the Obama era, new leftist media outlets needed to rise in order to deliver meaningful criticism of the Obama era. And perhaps unsurprisingly, they have done so in the ways that worked about a decade ago -- comedy programs whose voice is derived from a certain, ah, bro culture. Your TYTs and your Chapos, and....yes, your fucking Cum Towns. God. They are obviously not all universally loved on the left (any more than your nightly news-comedy-commentary programs were back in the day) and as the leftist movements in this country grow stronger I think we'll see them become outmoded for similar reasons TDS is now -- their editorial voices put them in line with Sanders, who might well become our next president. There is still plenty of room to criticize Sanders and the movement around him from the left (believe it or not, some far leftists take issue with the idea that elections are even a part of success at all -- if Sanders wins, that motivated revanchist group I mentioned earlier might well take their talk of war to the next level; if Sanders loses, the left may need to take drastic action just to keep the very planet alive).

My support for TYT is pretty abstract; Cenk and Dore, for example, were never stewards of my viewpoints. Their most important work has been as part of feeding into a larger leftist counter-media group and finding new voices to highlight and share. I think in time the media outlet will go a similar way to TDS and still exist but not attract this level of attention, which I think it does mainly because leftist media discoverability is still pretty difficult (but getting better).
 

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Is wanting the Sanders campaign to do better with vetting its hires, endorsements and associates and being disturbed by its pattern of behavior with regard to toxic, problematic associations "shitting on him"?
It is to people that are so invested in a political candidate that they don't see their flaws and/or don't care about improving them.
 

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He's a fighter and does not take corporate money. His policies are in line with mine. I came from the South (live in PDX now) and probably had plenty of bad takes in the past, it doesn't discount it but I don't weight that heavily in my consideration.
 

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Eesh, I like Bernie's enthusiasm and many of his platforms, but he makes it really, really hard to want to vote for him after crap like this. Constantly disappointed by the people he chooses to surround himself with. And I hope Cenk loses. Trying to snipe an empty seat from a congresswoman who was pushed out because of revenge porn, and holding misogynistic views (even if only "in private") is some bullshit.
 
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Eesh, I like Bernie's enthusiasm and many of his platforms, but he makes it really, really hard to want to vote for him after crap like this. Constantly disappointed by the people he chooses to surround himself with. And I hope Cenk loses. Trying to snipe an empty seat from a woman congresswoman who was pushed out because of revenge porn, and holding misogynistic views (even if only "in private") is some bullshit.
Isn't it very telling of Cenk's character when you decide that the seat you want to run is the seat that was vacated due to intense and disgusting misogyny? When you yourself have a past of being called out for just that? Not even an ounce of self-awareness?

And then no one in Bernard's team was able to say "uuuhm, this looks like a bad idea idk let's google this guy first". Ugh. It's very frustrating.
 

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Surfinn

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That was a bad response. How about something about rejecting racism, sexism and general bigotry? Because some of the shit that came out of Cenk's mouth was straight up poison.
 

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Are we canceling Sam Seder also who interviewed Cenk today, they obviously like each other? Cenk used to be a Republican and said some horrible shit and he’s addressed this multiple times. Cenk is easily the best on policy for that district, yeah he said some really dumb shit, but I’d rather be OK with people reforming and not cancelling them forever.
 
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Are we canceling Sam Seder also who interviewed Cenk today, they obviously like each other? Cenk used to be a Republican and said some horrible shit and he’s addressed this multiple times. Cenk is easily the best on policy for that district, yeah he said some really dumb shit, but I’d rather be OK with people reforming and not cancelling them forever.
You should probably read the thread. Cenk said really dumb shit days ago. Your half-life of forgive and forget is something.