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"Bernie's Back Rally" today in New York with guests Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Michael Moore
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that's such an iconic way of insulting people who literally agree with bernie. not me, us!
I don't think she's swiping Warren. Probably the other people latching on for benefit (I am thinking of Buttigeg being recently exposed for his M4A about-face).
Yep, you totally got me. My criticisms about Bernie surrounding himself with hot garbage in the past like Cornel West and Killer Mike and talking about how groups in "The Establishment" like Planned Parenthood don't want him to win the election, is totally about me not wanting to have my taxes raised.
i just think it's extremely good, and cool, how people keep talking about bernie building a #movement, but then his campaign staff get on stage and accuse other politicians who literally agree with him (and have been voting in agreement with him 95% of the time for their entire tenure in congress) of being "copycats"
Cornel West is trash?
Did I miss something that he did recently?
Yes you are condescending. Bernie and his campaign have put forth a bunch of plans on intersectional issues from criminal justice reform, parental leave, workplace discrimination, homelessness, drug addiction, healthcare, etc. Saying he is not 'campaigning with intersectional politics' is just a blatant lie.
Sitting out an election was a direct reference to Warren. Copycats are referring to everyone, though that's generous. Everyone is a watered down copy of Bernard.
Wtf is is 'Cornel West is trash' nonsense. You think Coates is trash too?
Some people aren't made for Twitter. You don't have to look far for Cornel calling Trump a fascist.
To be honest, I don't know whether or not he ever addressed it, but that earned him some much deserved side eye.
It's a bullshit statement regardless of where it appeared and reveals some real holes in Cornel's critical thinking skills and worldview.
Cornel has a lot of bad takes. I would never deny it. But he hates Trump about as much as a devout Christian can hate anyone.
He calls Trump a fascist now so I think that's addressing it enough. Cornel West has had bad takes before but that doesn't mean throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Yeah, and let's remember, this was specifically in regards to donations and how these two were collecting donations versus everyone else.
Agreed.
I mean, I disagreed with him supporting Stein but overall he's an amazing person and one of our most celebrated and interesting intellectuals.
Calling him garbage is just...yikes.
That's a good approach to take when thinking about Dems and other figures who are good but not perfect.
There's actually no defense for supporting Stein though.
The issue is his message and own words presents that he believes economic issues inherently trump social issues, even if he thinks that by solving economic inequality it will bring forth social equality.
That's an inherent non starter with me because I think it lacks insight on the actual core issue this nation faces, one that he fails to recognize when he keeps parroting why the US doesn't have nationalized healthcare, which is a massive portion of this country are fucking racists who flipped their shit when a black POTUS was trying to pass a public option to where one of the old blue dogs of the party killed it. When he makes an excuse about why he lost in the south being "not real progressives" (you know, black Democrats) while celebrating how he cleaned house in caucuses in white rural states, or makes excuse for the voters in Florida for voting in a clearly racist Governor.
He's said the same things over and over, and while he holds progressive values I see him keep making excuses that are not progressive, that tell me he keeps catering to a specific group of people that his message 100% resonates with, the same thing I've been saying in this thread. Which is why when I see him say those things, and I see his pure economist message, I see someone who is specifically catering and crafting his political view that is inherently not intersectionalist, and created to bring in people who would so willingly throw away social progress for economic "progress".
It's why Sanders is an outsider, because his message is completely at odds with the identity politics that drives the Democratic Party. And you can argue that it's a good thing he is an outsider for that reason, but when people repeat the same shit over and over where they openly state that it's the fault of people who cater to "identity politics" that "we're in this mess", that it's the fault of people finally having political voices and say, I call bullshit and inherently fight back against those people taking control of the party.
Actually there are very compelling reasons to support third party candidates over somebody as demonstrably corrupt and un-progressive as Hillary but I think Trump required a very specific type of pragmatism given what his presidency portended.
Honestly, it's a complex issue given that many feel our current political system is a duopoly that robs people of choice.
Difference between someone like West who is an intellectual but has not held actual political power over people's lives and someone who is a Democratic politician and has held office and used that office to wield political power over people's lives in a negative way.
Haha
AOC is now live on the stream, if anyone's wondering:
probably would have been neat if he had recognized trump as a fascist in 2015 when literally everyone else saw it, to be quite honest. i dunno, calling him trash is bad, but it's like, it's just so wearying to see folks who are ostensibly leftists trying to be contrarian and praise noted pieces of shit like trump and it taking them years to get on the same page as the evil neoliberal centrist moderates who correctly identified trump as a noted piece of shit from the beginning.
but at the same time i guess i understand the necessities of needing to generate controversy to boost your #brand in today's social media focused world.
I don't know what he was thinking with this teeet, but I am certain he started calling Trump a fascist even in 2015. Or like a crypto-fascist or something along those lines.
He was right in a way. Trump is authentically and openly trash.
He wasnt calling trump good. He was saying bern and trump for better or worse are straight talkers compared to the focus tested consultant class of candidate operating like its 1990. Right wing fake populist who says what he really thinks versus left wing true populist who says what he thinks.
I get being mad at the post though. Soundbites can be taken badly even if the meaning is different. Like his obama is white man in blackface comment. He rightly took heat despite having a valid point about obama being a neutered black face of the white imperailist neolib institution in his actual policy
It's an argument to have though. He might be right. I tend to think tackling socio-economic issues is a better focus, because you can't legislate racism out of existence. I can't think of any law congress could pass that would change a racist's mind. I don't disagree with identity politics, but I don't think you can tackle these issues directly.
That's true, Trump stopped hiding the bigotry and hatred of the Republican party and put it out in the open in a brazen and obvious way.
I wasn't ascribing meaning to the tweet outside of the tweet itself. He said Trump was an authentic human being. That shows poor critical thinking and poor judgment and is enough for me to never take him seriously again.
But that's the last I'll say on West here. I don't want to derail this thread.
Since it has come up, and since some folks may not be aware of the full statement made by West, I'll just note (as I pointed out in a previous thread):
The Facebook post was from the morning of Aug-24-15. On Twitter, later in the day, West apparently put out the same statement, starting with the "Social movements in the streets..." sentence (the 6th sentence from the Facebook post), as part of a series of 18 separate tweets, from 10:02PM EST on Aug-24-15 to 10:12PM EST on Aug-24-15.
He was calling him a neo-facist but he both sides'd the shit out of it
With video:
The world would be no better of a place if Trump hadn't started locking up migrants and Hillary was in charge instead. Yeeeaaaahhhh....
Hey, uhhh, how about fuck that?
Change racists mind? No, you create laws to protect people against racism, against institutional prejudice. You create laws to shut people the fuck up and force people to put a facade and make the action of discrimination illegal.
What you're saying is like arguing the the Civil Right's Act, because it's pure identity politics, might not "have been the way to tackle racism".
