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Bloomberg: A Tense Pay Dispute Overshadows Nintendo’s Upcoming Bayonetta 3 [UPDATE: Taylor confirms Bloomberg's reporting to be accurate]
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How many times have you seen a company publicly whip out a contract to contradict something when it wasn't part of a lawsuit? Things don't work like that
She continues to not provide documentation. If they made a $4k total offer, she'd have that in a written agreement. She mentions correspondence with Kaniya himself and no one has ever seen that either.
There is an NDA. Someone in platinum leaked the docs to Jason.
Welp that explains a lot. Honestly it makes more sense.
I like Hellena's voice, I hope she has receipts because from the looks of this now, it just seems like she overplayed her hand and got annoyed that it didn't go her way.
The cameo would've been a good send off to her voice in the series.
I like Hellena's voice, I hope she has receipts because from the looks of this now, it just seems like she overplayed her hand and got annoyed that it didn't go her way.
The cameo would've been a good send off to her voice in the series.
there was a tweet Kamiya put out a bit ago shortly after the allegations went down, that said that $15k offer. Wasn't sure how believable it was at the time. But it makes more sense now
Yep. Especially because, by her account, she had someone pass the message along for her - meaning that there would ostensibly be at least one witness to her account of things.
Shouldn't have jumped to conclusions before
Shouldn't do so now.
IMO it simply seems like a bad contract dispute in which both parties had their expectations at different levels (and probably a cultural and language barrier). Taylor probably thought her clout within the fanbase and franchise in general was high enough to get what she felt was owed. Platinum did not feel like reaching it and went in a different direction. Neither decision was wrong either. She has every right to feel slighted. And while I think it was a poor decision on their end to do so, Platinum had every right to walk away.
Not every situation has to have a hero and a villian; sometimes business just sucks ass lol. Hopefully, the union uses this situation to get a better deal; I have no frame of reference to what is "enough" or not but still. AND ideally devs/pubs learn that "iconic" VAs are important to series success.
Ugly situation all around
Shouldn't do so now.
IMO it simply seems like a bad contract dispute in which both parties had their expectations at different levels (and probably a cultural and language barrier). Taylor probably thought her clout within the fanbase and franchise in general was high enough to get what she felt was owed. Platinum did not feel like reaching it and went in a different direction. Neither decision was wrong either. She has every right to feel slighted. And while I think it was a poor decision on their end to do so, Platinum had every right to walk away.
Not every situation has to have a hero and a villian; sometimes business just sucks ass lol. Hopefully, the union uses this situation to get a better deal; I have no frame of reference to what is "enough" or not but still. AND ideally devs/pubs learn that "iconic" VAs are important to series success.
Ugly situation all around
Surely this will convince people to not immediately call for heads to roll based on a single source of information in the future right? This entire thing has been a massive embarrassment. People are so eager to get mad about their causes that they'll go full throttle on the tiniest bit of provocation.
It's just sad.
Saddest thing is that we will never know for sure.
I love Hellena and her work and wouldn't believe she actually lied.
I love PG and what they did with the series.
I can understand her reaction and I also understand PG and their decision.
I do think that a conflict of interest is what made this situation even worse. Either misinformation or miscommunication.
It's just sad.
Wish Hellena the best but Bayonetta is a franchise I absolutely adore.
Saddest thing is that we will never know for sure.
I love Hellena and her work and wouldn't believe she actually lied.
I love PG and what they did with the series.
I can understand her reaction and I also understand PG and their decision.
I do think that a conflict of interest is what made this situation even worse. Either misinformation or miscommunication.
It's just sad.
Wish Hellena the best but Bayonetta is a franchise I absolutely adore.
Most of the true excitement in the old thread got banned, so there's just not enough energy here to get the account bonfire rolling.
Her not doing voice work for games often helps paint the picture of her not knowing the overall popularity of Bayonetta, or her not really knowing that VA residuals are extremely rare for in the industry.
This is COMPLETELY different from what she said in her tweets
It's not my fault! Mods threadbanned me after I had some...less than TOS-approved descriptions about some types of posts I was seeing...
I'd like to hear her response to the new evidence that's coming out. It's hard to imagine she just lied without knowing the truth would easily be revealed. I'll still reserve judgement but an opinion is starting to form.
On a side note, I always assumed voice actors got paid way more than this.
On a side note, I always assumed voice actors got paid way more than this.
Has a tremendous Bayonetta fan she had already lost me when she says the new actor has no right to be Bayonetta.
But why would she publicly lie about this? it makes no sense because they could take her to court and she would be exposed. Maybe its a missunderstanding with the translation contract or something? I dont know but it seems weird that she would lie like this
Ehh...these sessions would have been like 20 hours of work. I don't think the idea behind freelance careers like voice acting is to work 4 days a year and earn 100k, right? It's more that you aim to get several roles per year, and the totals start adding up.
How up in arms I've seen people on era being about a one sided story. Then again I feel most people want to be angry. If what is being stated here is true, blatant omission of details to paint her as a victim to unfair practices.
I feel there will be lots of details that will never be made public.
Wonder how many people will never follow up and still believe everything stated from before these articles came out.
I feel there will be lots of details that will never be made public.
Wonder how many people will never follow up and still believe everything stated from before these articles came out.
If she lied about this then it has to be one of the dumbest lies I've ever seen. Why fabricate a story when there is written evidence that can just be pulled up that conclusively says otherwise? One of these parties is lying and all you have to do is pull up an email or contract to see who it is.
Not my point. My point is even at union rates for sessions voice actors, imo, are underpaid for the games they are working on. I wish they had more leverage that 15-20k for a leading role wasn't the norm. And devs deserve to be paid more in general as well, as notoriously they are paid not nearly enough for the work they do. These companies could afford that but they only pay what they are forced/obligated to and not what is right for the size of the experience being worked on. It is a money first industry. My point is the human one. Regardless of that it is shit she lied if she did, not debating that. Talking about the bigger issue overall.
Youre gonna be hard pressed to find a motivation other than "pissed and petty" if what Bloomberg says is true.
Assuming this is true why would she lie about the amount?
She could have made the same point about being underpaid without lying about it.
I would imagine there must have been emails at the very least containing the discussion on what she would be paid. She could show them her side of it as well.
That said I have no idea WTF happened here. I wouldn't suggest jumping to a conclusion either way. I am sure the truth will come out and it probably won't take years for it do so.
She could have made the same point about being underpaid without lying about it.
I would imagine there must have been emails at the very least containing the discussion on what she would be paid. She could show them her side of it as well.
That said I have no idea WTF happened here. I wouldn't suggest jumping to a conclusion either way. I am sure the truth will come out and it probably won't take years for it do so.
Dang, I was on Taylor's side at first too, might've been too hasty; if this is true, this is a bad look. But it seems odd to lie about it, wouldn't there be something written up/receipts?
My thoughts exactly.
My thoughts exactly.
Totally… I guess for the 3rd game with an established character and voice actress it would've been cool if they paid her a high rate.
i trust schreier to properly vet those documents, so it's good to hear that platinum didn't do what she alleged and now i feel stupid for believing her account
This honestly feels so dumb because now everyone knows not to work with her because she broke an NDA and lied to the internet + people are aware of her basura stances on social issues.
Bye, I guess.
Bye, I guess.
It is a week worth of work. $15K for a week of work for a mid-tier game doesn't seem terrible at all.
Taylor makes a video statement: Everyone says Platinum is trash.
An article comes out saying the offer might have been higher: People can't believe how she lied!
Can we just stop and think that we might actually don't know what really happened? You know, instead of just jumping to conclusions at the earliest opportunity.
An article comes out saying the offer might have been higher: People can't believe how she lied!
Can we just stop and think that we might actually don't know what really happened? You know, instead of just jumping to conclusions at the earliest opportunity.
Her videos made it extremely clear that she was incensed as fuck about being snubbed out of voicing Bayonetta, and she made the claim that she believed they had nothing they could hold over her head if she broke NDA since she alleges she has no money (and she hasn't done voice acting since 2015 or so).
It frankly sounds like it was for no other reason than pettiness, especially since Bayonetta 3 fever pitch is riding high now.
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