Going to temper my expectations and assume this won't be DLSS but instead the Nvidia shield's simpler software 4K AI upscaling.
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Bloomberg: "Game developers, speaking anonymously... said that Nintendo has asked them to make their games 4K ready"
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If that were the case, I'm not sure why third parties would need to be briefed or asked to make their games "4K-ready".
And dynamic res. Dynamic res and uncapped frame rates make it much easier to boost when played with more powerful HW.
Would love to play xenoblade and zelda in more than 1080p, especially the former, which is a mess.
Its clear the game wasn't designed with RT in mind when it looks twice as dark, completely changing the colour palette. A lot of reshades do this thing where they just completely ignore the original concept for da graffix.
A rock solid 1080p/60 would be a much better goal to aim for.
But for future proofing, I'd be more than happy with 1440p with 4K upscaling like the XosS (or whatever the series S' acronym is).
But for future proofing, I'd be more than happy with 1440p with 4K upscaling like the XosS (or whatever the series S' acronym is).
I don't know, seems on par with the introduction of a color screen on the GBC.
Though, unless the GPU is using a somewhat exotic config (which I wouldn't rule out, since it's almost definitely being made specifically to meet Nintendo's needs), that would be a pretty big architectural shakeup for a Pro revision.
If it's DLSS, it can't just be forced in the driver. DLSS, as it currently exists, needs to be explicitly integrated into game engines to work.
I think the most likely application of "4K Ready" in this instance, is making sure any 2D assets like UI graphics and whatnot, have native 4K resolution support. Because DLSS handles the rendered part of the scene, it doesn't touch the UI (much like dynamic resolution in UE doesn't), having proper support for UI in the targeted resolution is still important.
If they keep the current Switch style, 1440p docked would be a massive upgrade.
Might Nintendo be moving towards dumping the traditional generational tag and simply just upgrading the Switch every few years?
Yeah this makes sense. A Switch Pro with the capability to output native 4K but in reality will only reach those resolutions for 2D indie-scale titles
If you mean something you can just replace your existing dock with for an instant upgrade, no, or at least not unless they are basically shipping an entirely new system in the dock, and it only shares storage with the portable console you plug into it. To the best of our knowledge, the connection between Switch and Dock is not remotely high bandwidth enough for it to just be some kind of external GPU configuration, so you'd need to have the full package in the dock.
This could also apply to any AI upscaling technique, which can make text in movies blurry on the Shield TV. I'm hoping for the DLSS, but this feels like a repeat of the initial Switch speculation. As the specs were being finalized and leaked, people were really hoping that Nintendo went with the more powerful Tegra X2 "Parker". They didn't, they went with the older X1.
The leaked Tegra revision for the Switch v2 and Lite was also hoped to be more powerful and wasn't.
I just dont expect them to stretch very far.
I do have a theory, say Nintendo's definition of 4K is actually releasing games at 4K quality rather than a DLSS solution, would that explain such a quiet year aside from The Pandemic?
This possibility has been discussed since at least 2014 when Iwata talked about emulating iOS and Android. I don't think the explicitly spelled out eschewing traditional generations but it was one of many theories at the time.
Ah, gotcha. Thank you, guys, for explaining.
Well, yes and no. It does need explicit implementation in the driver (i.e. its own specific configuration, much like anything), but as far as implementation in the engine it basically works with the same (or similar enough) set of data that TAA does. So any game that has TAA can, theoretically, have DLSS with a bit of extra work (to expose the motion data for the DLSS API so that there's no need to forcibly extract it, and handle the difference in output resolution).
Who knows too, Nintendo has a different president now, so things can change. Iwata-era was very different than the Yamauchi-era. Maybe the whole "well this is how Nintendo has done things the last 20-30 years" may not tell us a lot.
If Nintendo are going with a modern Nvidia chip for the revision then it's more than feasible they could have one capable of rendering current 1080p Switch games in 4K. The Tegra in Switch is from 2015 and you would only require a chip that can perform between XBO and PS4 whilst docked to achieve that level of performance.
It would be unlike Nintendo though...
It would be unlike Nintendo though...
Sure but the Switch has pretty much followed his vision so far.
Hard to say because it was somewhat vague, remember when a lot of people were vehemently against a hybrid console because "Nintendo doesn't do that" and were adament NX would be a "family of systems" as in a big box home console, portable console, etc. that just shared games?
It could maybe be done in theory, but it would probably require a bit of per game hackery to the point where it would probably just be easier for everyone involved to just implement it properly in the games.
I am pleasantly surprised by the number of people saying they'd prefer higher framerates over a higher resolution. I'd be fine with a 1440p docked/1080p portable resolution but i'd take more consistent framerates over either any day, especially since anything higher than 1080p on a screen so small will result in significant diminishing returns i.e. seeing the difference between 4K, 1440p and 1080p on a smaller screen is much more difficult than a TV or even a laptop screen.
Considering NVIDIA are pushing DLSS hard, I think that might be part of the Switch Pro system. For about 1/2 or less of the GPU power demand of native 4K, you can create a DLSS 1080p -> 4K upscaling that is generally really good - assuming the chip is equipped with sufficient Tensor cores. A Switch Pro could utilise those features, but there needs to be some specific porting to integrate DLSS into the rendering pipeline (you can't add it on top, you have to integrate it mid-way through the rendering pipeline). Perhaps that's what Nintendo asked them to do (or consider)? It would make sense to give a sizable amount of heads-up to devs, since it's a bit more work than just tweaking settings on a new power profile I'd think. But yeah, let's see what we're going to get! A Switch Pro should be able to provide native visual upgrades even without utilising DLSS, so it should be a good system to have regardless.
Not likely.
A "generational-less" hardware platform doesn't really go to contrary of what Iwata said. Even with Iwata though, I mean things can change, remember when he said Nintendo would never, ever, ever make smartphone games.
How about 4K (DLSS 1080p -> 4K) 60 fps Super Mario Odyssey? 😁
Or 4K(DLSS)/60fps BOTW... (if they put in additional work to make it run at 60 fps)
That actually probably then means the chip in the "Switch Pro" has to be even more powerful, because rendering 4K with DLSS would be a lot easier than having to do it through brute processing.
Nintendo probably laid the hammer down. They need to sell the current Switch model through the holidays.
"Several outside game developers, speaking anonymously as the issue is private, said that Nintendo has asked them to make their games 4K-ready, suggesting a resolution upgrade is on its way."
I still see it when I've opened the Bloomberg article.
It's still there. Just about the second graph, showing Switch's shipments.
Just opened the link on Edge Chromium browser and it now shows. Weird that it doesn't display in Firefox.