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BREXIT |OT3| I'd Rather Be Inert in a Ditch
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I don't think it's exactly fair to call the Conservative party 'little'.
I actually think Hammond really no longer cares about his political career, once you've been chancellor unless you're going to be PM it's all down hill. He's independently wealthy (a lot of the Tory Wets are) and he's essentially legacy building.
Probably finally got it into their heads that it's the best we're going to get, and it will let them publically praise their lord Johnson for forcing the EU into a "great deal"
I'd add Sandbach to the hard reject list. Symbolically, she lost her local CP's vote of confidence so I suspect she's got nothing to lose at this point.
Exactly. Welcome to good ideas from 2017 you useless old fucker.
Or possibly, you know, he was always entirely clear that he backed a referendum on any Tory deal that got made. This isn't some crazy turnaround by Corbyn, it's exactly what he's been saying since forever.
Plot twist: Sinn Fein to kiss HM's ring, show up for the vote to stick it to the DUP and then fuck right off again
They won't but it would be the icing on the cake of brexit season 1.
Best case scenario for Johnson is that it's a squeaker, and this seems very unlikely to end in the best case scenario for him.
The fact they are trying to spin this as abolishing the backstop is insane, this deal being unacceptable is precisely why the backstop was created in the first place!
Oh man I need to stop reading and go look at my leeks now, I'll never survive until Saturday.
Oh man I need to stop reading and go look at my leeks now, I'll never survive until Saturday.
I'm reading the revised withdrawal agreement now and no custom duties on goods being brought into NI from the UK. I remember seeing that as a potential concern of the Irish Sea border. Though there's still work to be done on how to prevent goods being moved into NI from outside the Union and not being sent to the rest of the UK.
LMAO... "this deal takes back control", except, of course, for leaving the EU with a ton of say over how we run the country.
Plus, you know, NI basically being left in the EU.
Plus, you know, NI basically being left in the EU.
No deal isn't happening. Johnson blinked, he might through something into his manifesto of no deal is better than a bad deal (sic) but he has a deal. He's going to spend the next day or so frantically trying to sell it. There's no coming back from that.
Farage's reaction will be interesting, although predictable. It's not a question of whether he rails against it, it's how hard he goes against.
Farage's reaction will be interesting, although predictable. It's not a question of whether he rails against it, it's how hard he goes against.
Remember everyone we have to pretend NI is still in the UK CU, even though you'll need to make declarations to ship goods to GB.
He's been oddly quiet over the last few days - I'm wondering if he's gauging the route to take.
I find it interesting people are still arguing for a referendum because most polls still show a very slim to none remain majority.
Why not go for revoke? You basically doing a theresa may and back yourself in a corner where you have to accept brexit if another referendum votes leave.
Why not go for revoke? You basically doing a theresa may and back yourself in a corner where you have to accept brexit if another referendum votes leave.
There are three ways this goes
1. deal passes (and we hope for SM&CU alignment in the future relationship talks
2. deal amended for 2ref passes
3. deal does not pass, we get an extension, then either an election or a referendum
Brexit Secretary already confirmed Bojo will ask for Extension if the deal fails in Parliament
It isn't the last hope. Without the DUP support the deal will not pass, Johnson must get an extension and we get an election. Attaching a people's vote could increase its chances of being passed although I wonder if the Government would then try to kill the entire deal.
Bingo.
Johnson hit exactly the same realities that May did earlier on in the year, in that no one who becomes aware of the full ramifications of No Deal will ever countenance inflicting it on the country (or, more cynically, their own career).
Farage is the main reason I don't want a general election, I honestly think he would be the biggest winner from it as things are at the moment
Almost every poll in the last year has shown a Remain majority, often outwith the margin of error.
Not saying polls are infallible, but it's a much safer bet than a GE at this point.
there has been a remain majority in the polls of 3-6% all year. You can see it in referendum polling but you can also see it in Westminster polling. Tories and BXP numbers change but they always add up to somewhere around 45/46%. That's your leave vote. Plus, if this went to a referendum, I doubt it would pass Faragist purity tests which would lead to boycotts and apathy from the hard line brexiteers.
It may be the best hope, though. I'd pick a referendum choosing remain over this deal as a more likely result than a GE not returning a Tory majority consisting of MPs who are loyal enough to back Boris' deal (or worse, no deal).
The DUP don't really care THAT much about Brexit. They'd go back to the status quo first before any more differentiation between GB and NI
That's not even close to true.There have been plenty 52/48, 53/47 polls.
Bear in mind that the propaganda machine will roll back into action pushing lies on Facebook and elsewhere as soon as campaigning begins for a new referendum. There's been a gentle surge of that ongoing, but don't underestimate their ability to step it up. A remain win is not a foregone conclusion.
Might be a bit hyperbolic on my part, but saying the polls have been unclear for months now is simply not true either.
It's kinda hard to promise unicorns when the deal is right there in front of us though.
I mean they will, obviously. But it's a lot more difficult to get people to buy it.
I suspect similar numbers to May's deal. The Labour rebels talk a good game, and are posturing for their constituents, but when push comes to shove I cannot see them rescuing Johnson's deal.
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