I really, really, really hate that this little group of bigots are so important in this parliament.
It's best not to put too much faith in Tories voting against it though. Grieve, Greening and Bebb are the only ones I'm pretty sure will vote it down, as they did MV3. The problem with Tories refusing to back it is that their choices are pretty much this deal, no deal or a Labour/remain coalition government. The likes of Stewart and Gauke want to leave with a deal. The only reason I see Stewart voting it down is because passing it might hurt his chances as London Mayor. Hammond still wants the Tory whip back so will probably back it. Rudd could go either way.
I thought this deal was supposed to be worse than Mays which everybody hated? why would the hard brexiteers go for it?
I'd add Sandbach to the hard reject list. Symbolically, she lost her local CP's vote of confidence so I suspect she's got nothing to lose at this point.It's best not to put too much faith in Tories voting against it though. Grieve, Greening and Bebb are the only ones I'm pretty sure will vote it down, as they did MV3. The problem with Tories refusing to back it is that their choices are pretty much this deal, no deal or a Labour/remain coalition government. The likes of Stewart and Gauke want to leave with a deal. The only reason I see Stewart voting it down is because passing it might hurt his chances as London Mayor. Hammond still wants the Tory whip back so will probably back it. Rudd could go either way.
Plot twist: Sinn Fein to kiss HM's ring, show up for the vote to stick it to the DUP and then fuck right off againThe DUP won't fold for a bit of cash if they believe the deal drives a wedge between NI and the rest of the UK and they have no real way to veto it. The union is everything to them.
Plot twist: Sinn Fein to kiss HM's ring, show up for the vote to stick it to the DUP and then fuck right off again
They won't but it would be the icing on the cake of brexit season 1.Plot twist: Sinn Fein to kiss HM's ring, show up for the vote to stick it to the DUP and then fuck right off again
No deal isn't happening. Johnson blinked, he might through something into his manifesto of no deal is better than a bad deal (sic) but he has a deal. He's going to spend the next day or so frantically trying to sell it. There's no coming back from that.
Farage's reaction will be interesting, although predictable. It's not a question of whether he rails against it, it's how hard he goes against.
Last hope is attaching the deal to a 2nd ref and then we vote remain.... I fucking hate brexit
It isn't the last hope. Without the DUP support the deal will not pass, Johnson must get an extension and we get an election. Attaching a people's vote could increase its chances of being passed although I wonder if the Government would then try to kill the entire deal.Last hope is attaching the deal to a 2nd ref and then we vote remain.... I fucking hate brexit
Bingo.No deal isn't happening. Johnson blinked, he might through something into his manifesto of no deal is better than a bad deal (sic) but he has a deal. He's going to spend the next day or so frantically trying to sell it. There's no coming back from that.
No deal isn't happening. Johnson blinked, he might through something into his manifesto of no deal is better than a bad deal (sic) but he has a deal. He's going to spend the next day or so frantically trying to sell it. There's no coming back from that.
Farage's reaction will be interesting, although predictable. It's not a question of whether he rails against it, it's how hard he goes against.
I find it interesting people are still arguing for a referendum because most polls still show a very slim to none remain majority.
Why not go for revoke? You basically doing a theresa may and back yourself in a corner where you have to accept brexit if another referendum votes leave.
I find it interesting people are still arguing for a referendum because most polls still show a very slim to none remain majority.
Why not go for revoke? You basically doing a theresa may and back yourself in a corner where you have to accept brexit if another referendum votes leave.
It isn't the last hope. Without the DUP support the deal will not pass, Johnson must get an extension and we get an election. Attaching a people's vote could increase its chances of being passed although I wonder if the Government would then try to kill the entire deal.
That's not even close to true.There have been plenty 52/48, 53/47 polls.Almost every poll in the last year has shown a Remain majority, often outwith the margin of error.
Not saying polls are infallible, but it's a much safer bet than a GE at this point.
Almost every poll in the last year has shown a Remain majority, often outwith the margin of error.
That's not even close to true.There have been plenty 52/48, 53/47 polls.
3-5? Try 10Now we can focus on other things, like..... spending the next 3-5 years negotiating the *actual* deal. But hopefully people will give up and not pay attention so we can line our pockets quietly
It's kinda hard to promise unicorns when the deal is right there in front of us though.Bear in mind that the propaganda machine will roll back into action pushing lies on Facebook and elsewhere as soon as campaigning begins for a new referendum. There's been a gentle surge of that ongoing, but don't underestimate their ability to step it up. A remain win is not a foregone conclusion.
I suspect similar numbers to May's deal. The Labour rebels talk a good game, and are posturing for their constituents, but when push comes to shove I cannot see them rescuing Johnson's deal.The thing I'm most curious about is how many Labour MPs end up voting for the deal.