Then please read this thread and try to understand why people are frustrated and angry before you dismiss them as being unreasonable. What lead us to this point?
Even if you get banned, that is the least you could do.
CDPR is a transphobic company. It's time we stop making excuses for them.
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Even if you get banned, that is the least you could do.
Interesting that they match this product in particular with this slogan.
Beyond just being vapid and juvenile without the connections to the trans community.
wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
I agree with this, part of your job is to analyze the story that's being told and the social implications of its content.mild take: if you don't touch on the problematic social issues as a reviewer you shouldn't be in the game review industry
to that end, take a look at thegamer.com's editor-in-chief Kirk McKeand who posted this gem in his review
Ah, yes, the tactful writing of The Witcher 3 that made fun of a cross-dressing character and allowed players to sympathetically label a gay character "a freak".mild take: if you don't touch on the problematic social issues as a reviewer you shouldn't be in the game review industry
to that end, take a look at thegamer.com's editor-in-chief Kirk McKeand who posted this gem in his review
Quite the good sign, I say.
They are plenty of avenues if you are that desperate to discuss this game. We don't need a hype thread here.
Sadly, that thread closure was seen miles away. Well done all y'all who wanted to talk about review numbers, you played yourself. Can we have a post collecting those reviews who say something substantial about the issues in here with a threadmark please? That would be neat.
Does he know that the videogame was written by contemporary people in the real world? To be consumed by contemporary people in the real world?mild take: if you don't touch on the problematic social issues as a reviewer you shouldn't be in the game review industry
to that end, take a look at thegamer.com's editor-in-chief Kirk McKeand who posted this gem in his review
Interesting that they match this product in particular with this slogan.
Beyond just being vapid and juvenile without the connections to the trans community.
Jesus. The edge. Yep. This game is perfect for nerds 😂
don't forget "anna cheated on her husband and aborted his child while he was a physically abusive drunk... really they're as bad as each other"
Interesting that they match this product in particular with this slogan.
Beyond just being vapid and juvenile without the connections to the trans community.
....the optics on this one
A lot of users showed their true colors on the review thread, it doesn't matter if it's closed, report them and don't let them get away with it.
Personally I just don't see how the site can purport to stand with its trans members while still providing a hype platform for CDPR/CP2077. It just feels like a twisted attempt to have their cake and eat it too so to speak. If the intent is to not let the critical discussion be lost then allow for a singular thread like this one right here, as others have suggested. You want to critically discuss the game? Here's the place. Respect the thread guidelines. If some people don't like it then big whoop. They can deal. No need to make a new OT thread...or a review thread...or whatever other hype/fluff thread. And if a thread like this one is to remain then the staff NEED to shift their moderation style...because swift and decisive moderation is what will be needed to make sure things don't go off the rails.
Staff can look at the critical review thread for a sneak preview of how the OT will go.
As a more general commentary, it's been depressing and exhausting seeing this site/staff continually fail its minority/marginalized communities, driving members of these communities away, all the while repeating the same mistakes over and over while coming up with new doozies. One can only hope that *this time* lessons will be learned. I truly hope so.
Staff can look at the critical review thread for a sneak preview of how the OT will go.
As a more general commentary, it's been depressing and exhausting seeing this site/staff continually fail its minority/marginalized communities, driving members of these communities away, all the while repeating the same mistakes over and over while coming up with new doozies. One can only hope that *this time* lessons will be learned. I truly hope so.
They're gonna get wrecked even more than they already do lol. But even with the transphobia aside, it further cements just worries with the game. It sounds edgy for the sake of it with nothing to say. I wanted Deus Ex but it looks like we're getting a less satirical GTA.
GS Review Highlighting the issues
With TLOU, I feel people needed to read the room because while I do have my criticisms with pacing of the game as well as the crunch needed to make it, so much of the criticism of the game had been poisoned by misogeny, transphobia, etc.
Oh god how I hate that questline so much. And the "good" ending is Anna ended up stuck with her abuser as a creature who can't communicate or make decisions for herself. Again, hate it so so much.
Interesting that they match this product in particular with this slogan.
Beyond just being vapid and juvenile without the connections to the trans community.
How completely fucking predictable.
they aint slick in the slightest. Asshats.
Damn, I had a whole post written up in the "review" thread for problematic elements.
So many people wandering into that thread with "hey, what gives?!" takes, kinda showing their asses...
This has been the only consistently open Cyberpunk 2077 thread open for the past few days. It's also the same thread where it was discussed for the past several days, what's going on, and how Black Chamber's unmasking has led to mods being reinvigorated to make amends with TransEra. If those same people had been engaging with this active discussion, I doubt they'd be so confused.
It makes me feel like their reluctance towards listening to TransEra outweighs their desire to discuss Cyberpunk on Era in entirety.
Sigh...
So many people wandering into that thread with "hey, what gives?!" takes, kinda showing their asses...
This has been the only consistently open Cyberpunk 2077 thread open for the past few days. It's also the same thread where it was discussed for the past several days, what's going on, and how Black Chamber's unmasking has led to mods being reinvigorated to make amends with TransEra. If those same people had been engaging with this active discussion, I doubt they'd be so confused.
It makes me feel like their reluctance towards listening to TransEra outweighs their desire to discuss Cyberpunk on Era in entirety.
Sigh...
This would make the shadow the hedgehog blush.Interesting that they match this product in particular with this slogan.
Beyond just being vapid and juvenile without the connections to the trans community.
Just beyond deplorable now.
Honestly? I'm really not into this game right now. Every bit of hype that was left in me has vanished mostly because of the "community" hyped for the game, offended because they can't have their video games without politics. I just don't wanna be a part of that. The alternative is much more important to me.
I'm thinking of allocating the budget I had reserved for this game to buy Final Fantasy 7 Remake instead.
on the other hand, lgbt people and poc with legitimate concerns abt the game's handling of rep were shat on here as well, told we were overreacting, looking to be offended, just hated neil druckmann etc.
Does someone have all the quotes from the locked review thread? The OP made a good job of summarizing all the reviewers who spoke out about these issues.
Fucking wow.Interesting that they match this product in particular with this slogan.
Beyond just being vapid and juvenile without the connections to the trans community.
not only does this continue to reinforce how juvenile this game seems to be, but it just highlights the poor optics and shitty environmental storytelling this game employs. you can make things cyberpunk without middle fingers, dicks, and fuck yous every where.Interesting that they match this product in particular with this slogan.
Beyond just being vapid and juvenile without the connections to the trans community.
Interesting that they match this product in particular with this slogan.
Beyond just being vapid and juvenile without the connections to the trans community.
Wow, that is terrible on every level. This company really went all in on their transphobic brand, and from the reviews offered no trans characters with any depth to counter it. CDPR are the fucking worst.
I feel like we already tried this. It ended it up with lots of users talking past everyone trying to bring attention to the issues. Lots of bans, but not from the people you'd expect.
It's painful to admit, but I don't see a good outcome.
I am horrified at how things would be going if BC hadn't been found out to be a shitstain. We were a few days away from this site becoming even more hellish with people ignoring critical voices completely.
Not all the bans would be obvious enough to convince people. The situation with Black Chamber should prove that, considering people didn't admit they were wrong until it was blatantly obvious with his Twitter. I won't lie when I say I wish the mods here took a "GAF during Gamergate" type stance, but the community as a whole needs to own up to their side of that before it becomes feasible.
Yeah, this isn't accidental. Honestly, they've been doing shit they knew they could plausibly deny but knew what they were doing at the same time, fuck that game, fuck the people who made this in particular.Interesting that they match this product in particular with this slogan.
Beyond just being vapid and juvenile without the connections to the trans community.
The way the discussion surrounding this game devolves into an utter mess each and every time should be enough for the mods to agree that it's too much of a headache for them to keep up moderating it and exhausting for TransEra. The OT should just not happen at this stage. CDPR have shown their hand now looking at those reviews for this game and it just confirms what was was feared all along.
The way that Black Chamber infiltrated the community and continued being here promoting this trashy game after so long was bad enough. Not gonna dictate how the mods should run things here but this game has caused far more trouble than its worth at this stage. Fuck it.
The way that Black Chamber infiltrated the community and continued being here promoting this trashy game after so long was bad enough. Not gonna dictate how the mods should run things here but this game has caused far more trouble than its worth at this stage. Fuck it.
Facts. This is why I care so little about game reviews these days as reviewers are still too immature. It's also why I'll always listen to Waypoint's take even if I disagree with them. I loved their analysis of TLOU2 regardless of whether I agreed with all of it because they don't do some surface level critique, they go all in as any good reviewer should.
After some soul searching, I canceled my PSN preorder. If anyone is considering doing the same, the process only took a few minutes through PlayStation support chat. Inclusiveness is more important than some stupid video game
I hated how that's how people came away from that questline.
I always saw it as a look into how shitty people try to justify their shitty horrible behavior.. which is why I liked it. I came out of it still hating him, having no different opinion about his wife, but felt I kind of understood horrible people a bit. Horrible people don't think they are horrible cause they find justifications for why they think they are in the right. But maybe I was giving too much credit to the writers and maybe I was one of the only ones who saw the quest like that.
Details on transphobia in the game from reviews.
A message from OP that I copied/pasted from:
Original post from the thread that had reviews which highlight transphobia in Cyberpunk 2077:
Kallie Plagge at Gamespot:
Carolyn Petite at Polygon:
Gene Park at The Washington Post:
Rob Zacny at Waypoint:
Riley MacLeod at Kotaku:
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Interesting that they match this product in particular with this slogan.
Beyond just being vapid and juvenile without the connections to the trans community.
ouch.......
How new is this, what's it from? First time seeing this shit.Interesting that they match this product in particular with this slogan.
Beyond just being vapid and juvenile without the connections to the trans community.
Lots of gloating and hostility towards the trans community... oh wait.
Interesting that they match this product in particular with this slogan.
Beyond just being vapid and juvenile without the connections to the trans community.
This game's aesthetic is cringe.
The review in the review thread that said something akin to "you can easily make a trans caricature in the character creator, but it's difficult for a trans person to create something they resonate with" is really resonating with me. It did a really good job putting this general icky feeling I've had with the less-overtly transphobic parts of the game into words.
While I don't suffer from a lot of voice dysphoria, it is the main reason I get misgendered usually, so them tying gender to voice is at best tone-deaf and at worst a deliberate attack.
While I don't suffer from a lot of voice dysphoria, it is the main reason I get misgendered usually, so them tying gender to voice is at best tone-deaf and at worst a deliberate attack.
I think dialogue with TransEra is monumental here.
If there is to be a OT covering this game - there must be extensive connection to the issues surrounding it. There has been great work done with many different members so lets turn to them. Without them there's no point.
If there is to be a OT covering this game - there must be extensive connection to the issues surrounding it. There has been great work done with many different members so lets turn to them. Without them there's no point.
Pretty much. His banning didn't really change anything in terms of what those people think
I don't like carelessly invoking it's name, but that sounds like a certain Disney movie's discourse on this site, lol
Pretty glad I jumped into TLOU ptII late, then.
The entire point of cyberpunk as a genre is to use a fictional world to talk about contemporary morality. Like...what?
Is Black Chamber an employee of CDPR ? I read the thread about his OTs.