Or maybe because it's something that he just blurted out with no real set-up? Come on, don't label something like this clickbait.There's no context because it wouldn't be as clickbait worthy.
Or maybe because it's something that he just blurted out with no real set-up? Come on, don't label something like this clickbait.There's no context because it wouldn't be as clickbait worthy.
There is a difference between a joke that still needs work and this sexist drivel that doesn't even exist in the same universe as actual jokes do.Louis also bombed for twenty years before he got to that point. Comedy doesn't magically come out perfect. Yeah people improve and can find the funny faster but nobody is infallible and nobody has a 100% hit rate with fresh jokes.
They're comedians. They literally are just telling jokes. You're free to take them to task if you hate the joke. And as Louis CK said, people who are easily outraged should stay the hell out of the comedy clubs, and comedians who react like petulant babies to negative feedback should stop reading the feedback.For starters, comedians need to learn self-restraint. They have a ton of influence on how people see the world. So they need to make sure their joke isn't reinforcing what they're trying to mock. Comedians need to take responsibility for what they say. "It's just a joke" shouldn't be some magical shield that lets them get away with saying whatever they want.
Sounds like Rock's getting old. There's mad jokes you could make about the situation with the sexual assault allegation flood happening now that would go over a lot better lol
According to the article even Jeff Ross was like "nah b"
I guess if he's going through/just went through a divorce that would turn up the bitterness tho
Yeah, that's the thing. When you're joke is just something millions of people legitimately and earnestly believe, and will tell such as much right to your face, is it really a joke anymore? "Poe's Law" humor--just regurgitating stuff people legitimately believe, but you don't, and because you're the one saying it it suddenly becomes the joke even thought that's all that's different--really doesn't work for me, because it completely depends on the audience actually "getting it" and not taking it the wrong way to reinforce their existing beliefs, which is something that's completely outside of your control. Just don't go there to begin with. No reason to.Your joke shouldn't sound like something you might find being said earnestly on r/redpill
The Page Six article has two indirect quotes from Rock. We don't know how long his set was , if ""they cry rape because they want money," was a terrible punch line or an outrageous opening statement that he would subvert throughout the bit. All we know is that a majority of the 150 person audience didn't like the jokes.Thought I would quote both. I'm fine with material that can push boundaries and be offensive and even make someone uncomfortable. But calling sexually abused people out for making it up for cash is just gross.
What if I did stand-up and had a joke "I won't even hire black people because they'll just steal my HDTV and bring their gang wars with them to my front door."They're comedians. They literally are just telling jokes. You're free to take them to task if you hate the joke. And as Louis CK said, people who are easily outraged should stay the hell out of the comedy clubs, and comedians who react like petulant babies to negative feedback should stop reading the feedback.
Your joke shouldn't sound like something you might find being said earnestly on r/redpill
I'd say, "Don't quit your day job."What if I did stand-up and had a joke "I won't even hire black people because they'll just steal my HDTV and bring their gang wars with them to my front door."
HAHA, just a joke, why are you getting mad?!?!?! PC POLICE! OUTRAGE CULTURE.
Why not? You don't think Chapelle was earnestly justifying Cosby with his "he rapes but he saves" bit do you?Your joke shouldn't sound like something you might find being said earnestly on r/redpill
Yeah, that's the thing. When you're joke is just something millions of people legitimately and earnestly believe, and will tell such as much right to your face, is it really a joke anymore? "Poe's Law" humor--just regurgitating stuff people legitimately believe, but you don't, and because you're the one saying it it suddenly becomes the joke even thought that's all that's different--really doesn't work for me, because it completely depends on the audience actually "getting it" and not taking it the wrong way to reinforce their existing beliefs, which is something that's completely outside of your control. Just don't go there to begin with. No reason to.
His joke wasn't this one time this happened, it was never hiring a woman ever because she'll probably cry rape for my cash.... That's universalizing something that marginally happens.
"They cry rape because they want money"... speaking to all women that might come in contact with him... this isn't speaking to a tough situation it's acting like this is the common situation.
It's a very rare thing. So rare that this joke just rings hollow. Show me all the recent Hollywood accusations so far that have been proven to be false?
Mmhmm.
What if I did stand-up and had a joke "I won't even hire black people because they'll just steal my HDTV and bring their gang wars with them to my front door."
HAHA, just a joke, why are you getting mad?!?!?! PC POLICE! OUTRAGE CULTURE.
The Page Six article has two indirect quotes from Rock. We don't know how long his set was , if ""they cry rape because they want money," was a terrible punch line or an outrageous opening statement that he would subvert throughout the bit. All we know is that a majority of the 150 person audience didn't like the jokes.
Rocks going through a divorce right now so maybe he's on some fuck all women MRA type stuff and in that case fuck him. But going by the lack of information in the article its hard to say and comedy is all about context.
It really sounds like you're confusing Chappelle for Rock. Either that or google can't find the skit Rock has pulled. But then again, Rock isn't the kind of comedian that recycles his old material, so all that old stuff stays in the past.Which again Chris Rock learned 20 years ago or so when he saw that racists were using his skit to justify why being racist was ok.... and that skit had a lot more thought and care in it than this one.
It really sounds like you're confusing Chappelle for Rock. Either that or google can't find the skit Rock has pulled. But then again, Rock isn't the kind of comedian that recycles his old material, so all that old stuff stays in the past.
The controversy caused by Rock's constant use of the word "nigga" led him to remove the piece from his act. In a 2005 60 Minutes interview, Rock said: "By the way, I've never done that joke again, ever, and I probably never will. 'Cos some people that were racist thought they had license to say nigger. So, I'm done with that routine."[2]
Yep. He's just not that funny anymore.Chris Rock seems like a guy who ran out of material 10 years ago.
Your joke shouldn't sound like something you might find being said earnestly on r/redpill
It's not random shit. That "joke" is the exact same as Chris Rock's joke, except I replaced horrible sexism with shitty racism. Both make for equally shitty jokes that can barely be called such and any comedian worth a damn shouldn't be going for such low hanging fruits that parrot MRA bullet points.Why do people always go to this particular well?
For the record, that can be funny. It just depends on, you know, those crucial ingredients in comedy called context and delivery.
Watch the Chappelle Show. It was filled to the brim with racist jokes and stereotypes. By there was a point to it. And it was funny.
Unlike you making up some random shit about black people to prove a fucking point like so many people do when they're offended and can't articulate why.
That seems like a good way to react to the joke. It's probably what he will do with the joke in the OP. Or he will change it and make it palatable and funny.
Except Chris has done a variation of the joke you made up and it was hilarious.It's not random shit. That "joke" is the exact same as Chris Rock's joke, except I replaced horrible sexism with shitty racism. Both make for equally shitty jokes that can barely be called such and any comedian worth a damn shouldn't be going for such low hanging fruits that parrot MRA bullet points.
There is a difference between a joke that still needs work and this sexist drivel that doesn't even exist in the same universe as actual jokes do.
I'm not defending his joke in the current state its in. It was an awful joke to me. I'm defending his right to mine whatever topic he feels like mining, and then people can judge how successful he was when he finally releases his special. He's had way more hits than misses, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
It must've been much more than just a "variation" of my joke if it was hilarious.Except Chris has done a variation of the joke you made up and it was hilarious.
And if the joke Chris ends up at is funny, Louis CK will laugh his ass off at it. Louis doesn't sit around talking down to people who get outraged easily at rape jokes. He listens to their criticism and some of it affects him, and then as he said, "I'm still going to laugh at rape jokes and tell them if they're funny."He can. He did. We can boo. We did.
If he puts out a special, I will probably watch it.
Nothing of that changes the fact that he repeated what victims hear for real while seeking justice as a joke and it's quite obvious how that is not the same as Louis CK's saying out of the blue something we all agree is absurd, at the expense of the absurdity of the sentence. And thus of people who say it for real.
Chris, here, is on the side of people who say it for real.
It must've been much more than just a "variation" of my joke if it was hilarious.
In the case of Louis CK's "Let's all agree to just kill the Jews", it was the Jews. And somehow still funny. I'm sure a lot of people didnt find it funny though, and that's comedy. And that's OK.
It's not random shit. That "joke" is the exact same as Chris Rock's joke, except I replaced horrible sexism with shitty racism. Both make for equally shitty jokes that can barely be called such and any comedian worth a damn shouldn't be going for such low hanging fruits that parrot MRA bullet points.
Criticize all you want. People always have criticized comedians, and hopefully they always will, which will mean comedians are still pushing past accepted boundaries. I'm not willing to criticize Rock until I actually hear the entire joke, in his voice, with his delivery, in its final form. Some people that did hear it first hand thought it failed. Sounds like he needs to work on it or cut it. Only problem I had with the story is that he had people removed from his show.What's your point, exactly? How does this in any way, shape, or form mean that comedians should be shielded from criticism? You know, the thing that drives a lot of discussion across all forms of media and entertainment.
The question of "is it funny?" has a number of possible dimensions, including the vantage point the comedian is operating from, and the level of nuance or sophistication with which they manage to tackle a given subject. Perhaps some additional context would change things, but I'm finding it difficult to find humor in the idea that women "cry rape" for money. Comedy relates to cultural assumptions as much as anything else, and in this case, it seems to me unlocking the humor in that joke requires operating with a particular set of those assumptions - assumptions that have proven to be as deeply wrong as they have deeply damaging.
Nothing, even comedy, exists in a vacuum. Realize that it's okay - as in, not actually antithetical to comedy - for people to treat the jokes of comedians as something worth examining on multiple levels. The issue with Chris Rock's joke isn't that it was dark, but that it seems to have been incredibly misguided.
Nah the standup comedy world needs a serious change of mentality. Too many comics think that being edgy and offensive is more important than being funny.It's like the concept of irony is completely foreign to you.
Have you considered that maybe the point of the joke was to make fun of the disproportionate paranoia men have of false rape accusations?
Dave Chappelle had a bit about male rape that sounds awful and insensitive at first - until he hits the audience with the punchline, and makes them realise the fact they laughed at the notion of men being raped as funny is both awful and insensitive.
Comedy is hard. If it wasn't more people would do it. Even the best comedians still miss the mark from time to time and bomb regularly. Sometimes jokes age terribly, like the Chris Rock one you're so incessantly referring to, and sometimes they seem prescient. That's just the nature of the art form.
Stop trying to legislate comedy and find another soapbox to stand on. Criticise the joke, but don't make it more than what it is - a, from the sounds of it, shitty joke.
And if the joke Chris ends up at is funny, Louis CK will laugh his ass off at it. Louis doesn't sit around talking down to people who get outraged easily at rape jokes. He listens to their criticism and some of it affects him, and then as he said, "I'm still going to laugh at rape jokes and tell them if they're funny."
Well there is the huge difference of Chris being a talented comedian.
CK's standup run from 2007-2014 was phenomenal and his show Louie is amazing too. I've either gotten a little bored of his humor or he's slipping but my enjoyment has waned a little. As far as whether he's sexist, there are rumors online about his behavior but they're at the level of "Kurt Cobain was Murdered" at the moment, with no actual accusation being levied at him, or a woman - anonymous or not - to believe. I think his material is pretty harmless and typically anything bad he has to say about a woman is about a specific woman - usually his ex-wife.Not funny at all.
Lately i've discovered CK Louis who makes me laugh very much and i enjoy listening to him while optimizing code or soldering PCBs.
How does ResetEra feel about Louis? i mean sometimes he says really creepy things..
Chappelle is still great at race-related humor. It's when he ventures into LGBTQ territory that he shows how unequipped he is to do it well. Those were the parts of his two specials that I found to be cringeworthy. No unique perspective like what he brings to race. It just sounded mean, and the fact that he work-shopped those bits and felt like they were fitting for his specials made me question whether or not he still has it.rock's tried & ran with stuff in the past that he himself said he kinda wishes he hadn't...i wanna say he's also been part of the crowd thinking comedians in small venues should have a safe space to try out questionable material.
saw dude last year & still wanna give him the benefit of the doubt, myself...it sucks, but part of me feels chapelle is more likely to walk into some shit these days. there's a line when shit feel s a bit mean and i thought he broke kayfabe & started crossing it
I can't read Louis mind or speak through him. I was only pointing out the difference in the examples.
I would argue that while the butt of the joke is saying raped women are liars and shouln't be trusted, it won't ever be funny. Not to the specific audience of women who likely sufffered abuse themselves and their loved ones who care about them.
He would either need to twist the joke to change the one who is being mocked, thus proving our point. Or perform it to an audience that believes raped women are all liars, thus proving our point.
Jokes that mock the victims are inherently less funny unless you feel "they had it coming".
Jokes work or not for reasons. They are not magic that fizzle or don't. Jokes that mock innocent victims are objectively less funny.
I asked this in the discord, I'd ask it here.
Does anyone here feel like they need to hear the joke or are they sure enough about what was said?
All context is there in the article, people boo'd, walked out, next to no one laughed and Jeff Ross said this after "Now that we got that Chris Rock kid out of the way . . .,"
The odds are so low for that, to be honest, it seems more likely that I will win the lottery.I can see the point being made though, there is a real chance that people who have done no wrong could be caught up in this mess and lumped in with real rapists and harassers.
The odds arent low at all in business.The odds are so low for that, to be honest, it seems more likely that I will win the lottery.
The nature of standup is often to highlight serious topics in humorous ways but that doesn't negate the seriousness of said topic, rather provides another way to approach it. In this case his bit sounds like shit and paints him as an insensitive asshole.
Shit even Men do the shit Chris Rock is talking about.
They even do it to WOMEN of all things lol. Yo the lengths people will go to protect their jobs are ridiculous
Cant trust anybody you work with these days and its a crying shame
The odds arent low at all in business.
People will say anything about anyone if its advancing their own personal interests or preventing them from getting fired.
The sooner y'all learn that the better.
I mean he obviously wasn't; the premise is that no rape occurred.