That's a shame. Someone tell these folks about wawa sandwiches
CNBC: GM to use Tesla charging network, joining Ford in leveraging the EV leader's tech; will replace CCS with NACS in US EVs starting in 2025
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I prefer Rutters food over Wawa food. I hope Rutters starts installing chargers soon! :)
Why would I love this if I owned a Tesla and now have to deal with more cars charging slower at Tesla superchargers?
So this is something other manufacturers could arrange with an adapter and a software update then as well, yeah?
I think this will lead to an explosion of new superchargers being built. Instead of Ford & GM pushing Electrify America, they'll be pushing these.
I think there definitely will be friction for the first year or two, but ideally, folks should be charging at home and not relying on the network as their only source of charging.
Tesla has been accelerating the speed with which they build new supercharger sites, it's up to about two per day now and still increasing.
With the federal money to further fund the network buildout coupled NACS becoming the US standard, it's likely we are about to see Tesla go into overdrive building out new supercharger sites.
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I hate Elon and Tesla, but this is my hope. One of the biggest hang ups of electric vehicle adoption is fear of being stranded without access to chargers like you have with traditional gas pumps. Ideal situation would be they can start putting up the "standard" in every gas station without worrying about it.
I hate Elon and Tesla, but this is my hope. One of the biggest hang ups of electric vehicle adoption is fear of being stranded without access to chargers like you have with traditional gas pumps. Ideal situation would be they can start putting up the "standard" in every gas station without worrying about it.
Sure. Presumably to access the Supercharger network people would either need an account on the Tesla app or their car's manufacturer will need to integrate with their existing payment system like Ford is doing. But I've heard of unlicensed Tesla to CCS adapters that work without approval from either end (or even UL, lol).
The previous situation was there were two standards*, neither of which were used globally. European and afaik Chinese CCS are different from U.S. CCS. Don't worry, I suspect CCS in the U.S. won't last long at this rate.
*Yes, NACS used to be proprietary, but with the vast majority of EVs that can use DC fast chargers being Teslas and the majority of chargers being Tesla Superchargers, I don't think it's unreasonable to consider it a standard in this context.
It always seemed insane to me that J1772 compatibility was a priority with CCS. Not only did it make the plug gigantic and unwieldy, it didn't matter! EV adoption is still in its infancy and was certainly moreso at the time of CCS' adoption. The number of J1772 chargers was a tiny fraction of what the eventual charging infrastructure will be. So crazy to me we wasted years with CCS
There won't be two standards. CCS1 will be forced to be phased out in the US. Ford is the No. 2 EV maker in the US, followed by GM in third place. Both of those companies are scaling up volume significantly in the coming year. There won't be enough CCS1 cars around to justify further build out of CCS chargers. Over the next year, I suspect you will see EV Charging station providers like EVgo, Chargepoint, Rivian, and maybe Electrify America begrudgingly start to retrofit old chargers and new build outs will use NACS. CCS cars will get adapters, and that will be it.
It's too much of a competitive disadvantage to not adapt NACS at this point when the top three players are all using the same standard.
Ford's VP of Global EV Programs speaking to Sandy Munro about why they made the change to NACS for those curious, and yeah its all down to reliability, appeal to customers and the supercharger network being so widespread/solid/easy to use.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAH2teu85II&t=1811s
If they want to sell EVs in the US yeah, if you buy a non NACS car at this point you're making a foolish mistake.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAH2teu85II&t=1811s
If they want to sell EVs in the US yeah, if you buy a non NACS car at this point you're making a foolish mistake.
I think Hyundai will move over, they would be silly not to if they don't want to end up like Nissan. Honda and Toyota aren't fully into EVs yet.
I just leased an EV6 so I'm interested to see what's going to happen. I'm actually glad I went with leasing instead of buying because in 3 years who knows how this all shakes out. Ultimately, I don't care what kind of cable goes into my car.
One question I do have is, are they going to redesign these charging stations? The charge port is in a different location on all these cars. The Tesla superchargers currently outfitted with the magic dock are already seeing people struggle to get the cable to reach non-Tesla cars or the cars have to be parked in such a way that they take up two spots.
One question I do have is, are they going to redesign these charging stations? The charge port is in a different location on all these cars. The Tesla superchargers currently outfitted with the magic dock are already seeing people struggle to get the cable to reach non-Tesla cars or the cars have to be parked in such a way that they take up two spots.
Sweet, thanks.
Doesn't say when they are available or how much but at least a simple option is on the way
Tesla's V4 charger already has a edit: longer cable.
Tesla V4 Superchargers: Power, Design and Cable Length Revealed
The Tesla Supercharger V4, a significant upgrade in charging infrastructure, offers increased power output and an extended cable design, paving the way for futu
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I'll wait until Technology Connections chimes in about this, because he seems to have an incredibly thorough and robust understanding of all of this stuff and makes excellent videos for us normies.
He left this pinned comment on his charging video:
Strange for him to be disappointed in it.
I figured he would be. I think his stance has been that adoption of Tesla's chargers would only be a stopgap measure but ultimately further delay any efforts to get an open standard widely adopted and their issues fixed, but I'd need to rewatch his video(s) on it.
Hoping he releases a video about this explaining his position further and reiterating what he thinks would be the best approach.
ABB will now offer NACS as an option for it's charging products, the floodgates are opening:
View: https://twitter.com/ABBNorthAmerica/status/1667139962830041091?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1667139962830041091%7Ctwgr%5Eb1a00fe8f560b7549b6b54aa611eaecef1ae21cb%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fteslamotorsclub.com%2Ftmc%2Fthreads%2Ftesla-tsla-the-investment-world-the-perpetual-investors-roundtable.139047%2Fpage-20851
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Over in America at this point. My guess is Rivian and Lucid announce it soon (though I think Lucid is likely to go bankrupt). Hundai and Kia probably announce the same in a bit too. German and Japanese manufacturers will hold out for now.
Wonder how things will play out in the EU and Asia.
It's still a good time to buy TSLA and it's still down ~30-40% from its ATH.
Whoever is not buying and/or did not buy TSLA because they hate Elon is shooting themselves in the foot. This is not even close to its final form yet.
Wonder how things will play out in the EU and Asia.
It's still a good time to buy TSLA and it's still down ~30-40% from its ATH.
Whoever is not buying and/or did not buy TSLA because they hate Elon is shooting themselves in the foot. This is not even close to its final form yet.
Thankfully it appears the "war" has been won and we can now have a standard charger.
Non-Tesla charging stations are so trash tier that I refused to consider any non-Tesla EV because of it. Tesla chargers are like apple products - they just work with no hassle.
Non-Tesla charging stations are so trash tier that I refused to consider any non-Tesla EV because of it. Tesla chargers are like apple products - they just work with no hassle.
Thanks GM as a Chevy BOLT EUV owner (just bough it this year), you cancel the entire line 8 months after I buy one and now you're switching to tesla chargers. Where does that leave me? I hope they offer like some sort of charging conversion kit if that's the case or at least some sort of adapter. :/
This was my takeaway too. I cannot stand Musk and wouldnt care if he vanished tomorrow, but this seems completely reasonable in terms of helping the growth of EV's. When we get one, it for fucking SURE wont be a Tesla, but the charging network across the country should benefit from this as a whole.
Big time, Tesla is going to balloon to absurdly high levels on this news.
Massive news. Guessing in the coming days if not weeks we will see similar announcements for all NA based charging companies.
Alright if that is what it is, then that's great. Pick one standard and it seems to be Tesla.
Ship out the adapters, update the chargers, open up the access, and let's go.
Ship out the adapters, update the chargers, open up the access, and let's go.
European EVs got screwed over by the regulations unfortunately, I feel like it's too late to appeal it at this point too. Going from CCS to NACS was
European EVs got screwed over by the regulations unfortunately, I feel like it's too late to appeal it at this point too. Going from CCS to NACS was
CCS 2 with the Meinekes AC connector and the US CCS are two different things. The EU CCS connector seems to be able to handle the EV revolution.
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View: https://youtu.be/-VBCpAHvOpQ
hmm, what was it I was concerned about? Oh right Tesla owning all the gas stations.
edit: Now that the Whitehouse has confirmed tax payer money will only be coming in as long as Tesla supports CCS. I do wonder how that will work, I want more transparency about that. And their future plans surrounding EV infrastructure.
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Im negative on these news simply because I feel Im being left behind as a customer by GM. Very much like the poster below.
Adapters will be available for "A few hundred dollars". So I would expect to need to spend around 500$ or more when this change happens in the next few years.
I really hate all of GMs decisions this last year, I feel I took a bet on them and got bit in the butt. They were supposed to be leading the US market for accessible EVs but it's all going downhill.
White House says Tesla chargers must include CCS to get funding
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/wh...ral-dollars-long-they-include-ccs-2023-06-09/
White House says Tesla chargers available for federal dollars as long as they include CCS
White House says Tesla chargers available for federal dollars as long as they include CCS
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As long as this "standard" can allow easily allow more power in the future then it's fine by me. I rather have a crap ton of charging stations available by the time I buy an EV. My only concern is having to get another car or adapter because the NACS connector wasn't future proof enough.
You would just need an adapter. I honestly don't see electrify America jumping over to the NACS wagon quickly, especially when they can't even get their chargers to work constantly for people currently using their CCS1 chargers me included. The Bolt line can only take in 50kw on a DC plug anyway, so you can use pretty much any DC chargers out there like at 7/11 shell, etc which all have ccs1
This is the first comment, but when most manufacturers and charging networks switch over to NACS, this will likely change.
Also, CCS2 in Europe vs CCS1. One of the big complaints about CCS1 is reliability of it due to its design. Its big and clunky and prone to sagging, whereas CCS2 slots in better.
We're fortunate to be able to charge our Model Y at home so increased traffic at superchargers generally won't affect me except for when we go on our longer road trips. But given it'll be two years before these other manufacturers have NACS actually integrated in their vehicles, that's a lot of time for more Supercharger stations to be built. And while I doubt we'll be buying a new car anytime soon, other manufacturers also having an NACS port makes their offerings more appealing to me given the issues with CCS1.
This is why Tesla developed it's Magic Dock for the V4 chargers, which are being deployed now. V4 complies with the Fed requirements and will charge any NACS or CCS car.
Those new CCS dongles integrated into the tesla charging station will most likely be added to all tesla stations, but less and less drivers will use them when FORD and GM cars come out of factory with NACS plug.
Charging a non-Tesla at a Tesla Supercharger!
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Most of the world is on CCS2 and Type 2 for AC (the same as Europe). These are not paper standards either--either the government mandates these kind of charging standards, or they are the most commonly deployed charging stations. Tesla cannot strong-arm most of these markets with de-facto dominance either. For most of Asia, Tesla is merely somewhat head of European and Chinese EVs--and behind when you compare Tesla to Type 2 or CCS2 cars.
There are some exceptions.
China: China uses its own GB/T standard, with one connector for AC and another for DC fast charging. They are changing the DC standard to ChadeMo. China has about 60% of the world's charging stations and 40% of the world's EVs. Tesla, while in the top 10, is nowhere near dominant, and it is being overtaken by domestic brands. It is not plausible for China to change to Tesla.
Japan: Japan uses Type 1 for AC and ChadeMo for DC. It might change, but given that ChadeMo has developed a joint standard for China and is developing one with India, they are certainly not abandoning their standards.
I would expect most of the world to be on CCS2, China to be on GB/T, and US to be on Tesla.
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True I guess, but I still can't help feel I got the short end of things. (any good recommendations for an adaptor?). I do really Like my bolt just little bit disappointed with GM telling Chevy to discontinue them. :/