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CNN: Lady Gaga facing pressure to condemn R. Kelly (with whom she collaborated as recently as 2015) (UP: Gaga responds)
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I'm not sure what else she could've said for it to be a better apology tbh
Oh wow. Never saw those before.
What a complicated system.
Just update the OP when you change the thread title.
Oh, yeah, perhaps it's that. I was just reacting to you calling it a poor excuse, when directly says she's not offering it as an excuse. That's all I was saying.
I think a more genuine apology would certainly move people. I was expecting her to make a statement on how like many others, she felt that the music could remain separate from the art, the industry had forgiven him and I felt these instances were one off things. You know, her to take responsibility and talk about the culture of the music industry and why she was willing to forgive him and do the music. Instead we got an apology which was side stepped the fact that she knew what he was, and didn't care at the time.
She briefly touches on that, and then starts talking about her trauma when she wrote and recorded the song. Her support of R-Kelly and her ignoring of criticism crosses over with her own sexual abuse activism. She flat out sold out to get attention by doing a song with him. And then blames it on her trauma as the reason for her doing it. Now I don't see her trauma as a cop out per say, as I don't doubt she is making it up or that it wasn't a factor. She's not responsible for the trauma she went through, but by blaming the trauma, she is blaming an external cause as the thing that pushed her to do it. Nevermind once again, that the creation of the song is not the issue.
Excuse, explanation, reason whatever. Ultimately the post seeks to explain why she did the things she did, but as I stated above it doesn't really do that, as there are serious gaps in the logic and time periods this went on. It doesn't seem genuine, and seems to more try to wash her hands of it than owe up and take responsibility.
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Spot on, but I can't say I would do any better if I was in that same position. Especially if you're close to the person being accused.
Lol. Only someone who knows nothing about Gaga's career would make this claim. Artpop era and the song were flops.
I just have to say, this short/blunt of an answer combined with your avatar is giving me a severe case of the giggles right now, haha
In her "apology", I don't understang when she says "when I was young". She was 27 years old when she did that song, that's not "when she was young".
The song was released in 2013, probably recorded the year before. That's 6-7 years ago. You're not the same person you are at 24 as you are at 30–especially if you're coping with the aftermath of sexual abuse and trying to make sense of it all.
As I mentioned before, no apology will ever be good enough for certain people.
She did the right thing.
She redid the song with Christina Agulera shortly after. It's the better one imo.
She was a grown woman who, like everyone, knew about R.Kelly and didn't say shit until social media found a new topic (her thoughts on the matter) to talk about. Her dishonest, yet inoffensive, response allowed for a "yass Queen we stannn"-fest, instead of a real reflective conversation, like something we got from Chance the Rapper. Not saying this because I dislike Lady Gaga or would care if she didnt respond, but I wish we could get more celebs to have a real talk about stuff like this instead of worrying about their reputations/likes on Twitter, becuase it prevents their thousands of fans from thinking critically
I kinda feel like we put labels on people from mostly our own morality code and upbringing.
What's the difference between say Chris brown and Rkelly? I'm sure they both have disrespected, mistreated, belittled, an sexually mistreated women in the thousands (Kelly more so of course). Chris browns are likely older women as well. Still, is he that much less of a "demon" because he isn't luring young girls and brainwashing them? I guess so, but he's still a bad guy IMO. Giving off terrible impressions to the black communities through his music, promoting drug use and degrading women in every song since his "nice guy double-mint" days.
Gaga says a lot of nice things, but her music and videos and stunts say something else. Some see it as self expression, I think she's just nasty and it's out of touch with my morality system. Maybe I wouldn't call her a demon because of what it implies, but the name Satan is called the father of the lie, and she's a liar at the very least lol. So yeah, I think ppl are just grossly offended by different things.
She has worked with him more recently than that. Also, her phrasing makes it seem like "I was just a naive kid" or something, which she definitely wasn't at the time. She's a very savvy person, so looking back and saying "oopsie! I was young(er)" isn't a good excuse
Obviously she did the right thing to apologize, and in the big scheme of things she said all the right things. But framing this as youthful ignorance or whatever is an odd digression.
What video / music are we talking about here exactly? The vid of her with Kelly is in the OP.
Are you sure this is legit? I would research this JAyz thing.
I know. It just says unavailable for me. I thought it was a country thing but VPN didn't work. 🤷🏻♂️
Oh yeah I remember that. Not sure if it's an official release though. If not, go ahead and put it up.
The actual music video for the song "Do What U Want" was never released in full, only some(rather uncomfortable) clips were ever seen of it.
No but the SNL clip is available. With music and both Kelly and Gaga.
yes but that's not what the poster was asking about, they were asking about the never released music video
I don't disagree. There's no need to see that music video. Hell if they haven't done so already Gaga and/or her label should be erasing any footage from that video that may exist.
I'm on mobile but the thread title said she responded? I don't see anything passed the snl YouTube video in the op
Celebrities rn: "Wait we've reached the point where supporting R. Kelly will do me more harm than benefit? Let me call my publicist."
she sounds like an opportunist to me, jumping at the chance to work with an obvious scumbag when it suited her, and condemns when it don't.
whatever.
whatever.
I'm not sure what the age or how long ago something happened has to do with anything. Whether the misjudgment took place years ago or yesterday, the fact is that people can change either as soon as something happens or a long time later after the realization sets in. I'm not even speaking to Gaga specifically, just people in general.
I'm not really a fan of this "you must condemn this person" movement. Seems like bullying. I mean, if x doesn't explicitly condemn y, it doesn't mean x support y. Silence is not approval.
Check the threadmarks (accessible at the top or bottom of the page on mobile). It was flagged there.
It's a good thing that Gaga apologized and removing the song from platforms is a good first step, but my opinion on anyone who worked with R. Kelly is the same as it was before the Surviving documentary: I don't buy your ignorance. The music industry needs to do more to reconcile their complicity.
Gaga catches an L on this, no matter what her fans think. I'm a huge Jay-Z fan myself and he coasts in my Top 5 but I'll admit he's a loser for doing two albums with R when he knew he raped and married his ex.
Lmao
Like others already mentioned, the official music video was never released, and hasn't been leaked...yet, which honestly surprises me. I remember vaguely the backlash and controversy around the song/video at the time. It kinda resurfaced couple months ago when Nick Minaj tweeted about it in whataboutism.
It is surprising she declined to comment when approached by the documentary people, not a good look, and her trying to pretend this was "so long ago" isn't gonna help.
Edit: also I must say her fans trying to excuse her because she's no the only one who collabed with him is not entirely valid. How many high profile musicians collabed with R Kelly as recently as 2014? Jen Hudson, Chris Brown, Bieber, Ty Dollar $ and Mariah Carey..and if Im not mistaken Gaga's the only one that was a single, which is why there was a backlash even back then.
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Furthermore, she's been very vocal about having trauma post-assault and as someone who writes autobiographical songs, it's obvious that she was in a bad place mentally during the ARTPOP years. Condemning her, a rape survivor, for how she should have acted when she was in a dark place post-rape comes off as incredibly insensitive to me.
Jesus fucking Christ, a little over the top?
It is bullying. The point is to lord people's mistakes over them for all time to feel morally superior. No apology, no penance will ever be acceptable. It's a perfect intersection of pettiness, hypocrisy, and the ghoulish pleasure one feels when someone else is brought low.
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Lady Gaga wanted one thing: to become really fucking famous. And sometimes selling your soul takes a wrong turn. The whole "i was in a bad spot in that period" is nonsense. Sure, you're embarrassed by your actions but you were exactly where you wanted to be, a few years ago.
She'll be fine though. I hope R. Kelly gets what he deserves.
Edit: just these leaks:
Yep, I'm still scratching my head on that. Nice apology and all, but it still doesn't explain why you didn't want to talk about R. Kelly earlier. It's only NOW she's talking negative about R. Kelly after the documentary was released. Until then she was hush-hush.
