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Coronavirus Discussion Thread (See Staff Post) [UPDATE: WHO declares global emergency. See threadmarks]
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I don't blame the Japanese government in this case for taking this long to act. A cruise ship is massive and there would have been no practical way to evacuate and quarantine everyone quickly when this first happened. It's a really shitty situation. I'm glad they're making preparations now to start moving people off even before they are confirmed cases.
Those are some weird hoops to jump through
Feels like they already knew the ship was infected when it docked.
That sounds like a strep test. As you can see from that rather hard to watch video, the nasopharyngeal test goes through the nose and is much more invasive than a throat swab.
It's rather strict but I guess the logic is that those are the most vulnerable in terms of possibly dying from the virus, so they would allow them off before they get infected. But even then, yeah they should just allow all elderly or those with poor immunity to get off right now. It's so heartbreaking to see this.
One of the testers was found to be infected, so it's possible that they in turn have infected other testers and/or the people they were testing. It would be one possible explanation for the high number of cases post-quarantine.
Thanks for clarifying that, the video looks much more invasive than what they showed on TV yesterday. I'm not sure then what they were using the throat swabs for. The reporting could have been inaccurate or I might have misinterpreted what they were saying.
Hey folks, so I posted some time ago that given this whole situation I had a lot of research on epidemiology that I committed to memory and would go about creating a reader's guide on the subject.
It's finally complete! Or therabout.
Find it here - https://www.resetera.com/threads/in...so-youd-like-to-learn-about-epidemics.169822/
It's finally complete! Or therabout.
Find it here - https://www.resetera.com/threads/in...so-youd-like-to-learn-about-epidemics.169822/
My sis is heading to South Africa for a vacation at the end of the month. She's totally convinced that they're just doing a piss poor job of identifying any cases at all and it's probably already there, but she's not too worried about that. What she's more worried about is if they start waking up and putting measures in place, because Singapore could potentially be put on a block list if things get worse and other countries freak out. Lmao.
When Global Times, the English mouthpiece of the Chinese government, is writing this, we may be in for a wild ride come spring.
Take every precaution, people.
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Doesn't the 14 day wait period before others get off reset whenever there is a new case too? Except for those over 80 people with health problems and in windowless rooms thats going to be a long wait for the others to get off I bet.
Unfortunately, there isn't any nonstop flight from Switzerland to Fukuoka, Japan.
Someone posted this a few pages ago, so went and noticed that this company, INO stock (switch to a 1 year view) seems to have tried (and failed?) to use CV news to manipulate their share value.I don't know if this has already been shared:
San Diego lab discovers COVID-19 vaccine in 3 hours
Inovio Pharmaceuticals created a vaccine that is going through pre-clinical trials.www.cbs8.com
Also, from this article about the 100 million --just coincidentally added-- to their Shelf offering:
So, there.
I'm more surprised to that bit about the tests not being 100% infallible (without CT Scan).
If true, that's problematic.
Maybe try for a stopover in Dubai instead, I'd imagine that it's less risky than South Korea at the moment in terms of potential travel bans. If Dubai gets shutdown that's going to cripple air travel in general.
Since there are major party/govt personnel changes in Hubei province today, it's more like pinning the fault on sacked officials. Well at least that's my theory lol
Another possible factor for sudden huge number increase is because four of highest government chief officers and department directors got removed and replaced by officers outside of Hubei.
Yesterday, Hubei's public health department minister and director got removed from office immediately.
China's anti-corruption body said Hubei health commission chief Zhang Jin and director Liu Yingzi had been sacked for unspecified reasons and their roles would be filled by Wang Hesheng, a member of the provincial committee of the Communist Party.
Today, Wuhan CPC municipal leader Ma Guoqiang and Hubei CPC provincial chief Jiang Chaoliang got dismissed and replaced by Shanghai mayor Ying Yong.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-hubei-party/chinas-hubei-wuhan-communist-party-chiefs-removed-amid-epidemic-idUSKBN207
Yesterday, Hubei's public health department minister and director got removed from office immediately.
China's anti-corruption body said Hubei health commission chief Zhang Jin and director Liu Yingzi had been sacked for unspecified reasons and their roles would be filled by Wang Hesheng, a member of the provincial committee of the Communist Party.
Today, Wuhan CPC municipal leader Ma Guoqiang and Hubei CPC provincial chief Jiang Chaoliang got dismissed and replaced by Shanghai mayor Ying Yong.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-hubei-party/chinas-hubei-wuhan-communist-party-chiefs-removed-amid-epidemic-idUSKBN207
Maybe not for long...
Garuda grounds aircraft after passenger on Bali-Shanghai flight tested positive for COVID-19
JAKARTA: Garuda Indonesia has grounded a plane that is said to have carried a Chinese passenger who has been tested positive for COVID-19.The passenger flew from Bali to Shanghai on Jan 28 and was confirmed to have contracted COVID-19 on Feb 5.Garuda Indonesia, the
Nah. Our government and doctors/scientists would just shrug it off.Maybe not for long...
Garuda grounds aircraft after passenger on Bali-Shanghai flight tested positive for COVID-19
JAKARTA: Garuda Indonesia has grounded a plane that is said to have carried a Chinese passenger who has been tested positive for COVID-19.The passenger flew from Bali to Shanghai on Jan 28 and was confirmed to have contracted COVID-19 on Feb 5.Garuda Indonesia, thewww.channelnewsasia.com
"Nope, after intensive care and testing, there's absolutely no virus infection here. Move along."
Welp going to Tokyo direct from Sydney in April for 9 days (literally been planning the trip for a year as a much needed holiday).
this is escalating and not slowing down so think ive got to cancel and pray for a refund 😟
this is escalating and not slowing down so think ive got to cancel and pray for a refund 😟
I'm going to Tokyo next month, you really don't need to cancel your trip unless you're heading to China. Honestly, I'm not even slightly concerned.
Ah well, there it is. Some days ago I expressed doubts about accuracy of numbers being reported. Now we are getting somewhere.
Gives you an idea just how big of a jump this is.
No need to yet. Go until the Australian or Japanese government say otherwise. I'm off to Japan two weeks today and still planning to go. At the moment aside from Singapore the virus seems relatively contained and doesn't post a serious health risk.
Try not to worry too much, I would try not to rush to cancel. I was in Japan until late January before flying back to Sydney and it seems like tourism and foot traffic is way down compared to a couple of weeks ago.
God damn. And in a place like China, with all the smoking and air pollution.
Heavy going.
This is the sort of statement(/propaganda) that is going to cause massive cultural divide and damage in the future. It's pure sinophobia.
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Well in some rare good news on the COVID-19 front, my state in Australia (New South Wales), which until recently was almost entirely on fire, has just reported that all four confirmed cases here have recovered and been discharged from hospital.
www.smh.com.au
All four NSW coronavirus patients free from disease
The number of cases diagnosed in Australia remains steady, while 15 citizens on board a cruise ship have now been diagnosed with the virus.
National update is out - 312 new confirmed cases, down from 377 yesterday.
They're obviously still applying the 'old' diagnostic criteria, but at least on that basis new cases are continuing to decline.
No don't worry mate. Will fly at the end of May (over Helsinki MikeHattsu :P) and I don't worry at all. Just wash your hands correctly etc. and you will be fine
Thanks everyone re. my Tokyo concerns - you are right it will all be fine! The damn media and social sites are making this sound like the end of the world is nigh...
Haha I know, I remember you having a connection flight through Helsinki a lot of times from Twitter I think :)
Tested + symptomatically diagnosed certainly provides a better ballpark figure of cases (even with the inevitability of some false positives for non-coronavirus symptoms and pneumonia), but there will also be mild cases slipping through the cracks as well as cases still in incubation and liable not to be tested or diagnosed yet. At any rate, folks shouldn't panic at seeing that big spike in the reported case numbers, it's a combination of tested + suspected cases.
Had one for strep or whooping cough as a teen, it was one of the most uniquely uncomfortable feelings I've had. Like the swab tickles every hair and surface going down, and even if you don't sneeze your eyes water like hell.
Just saw on TV a news flash saying the virus claimed its first death in Japan.
A woman in her 80s.
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NHK article about it.
www3.nhk.or.jp
A woman in her 80s.
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NHK article about it.
新型コロナウイルス 神奈川の80代女性死亡 感染者死亡は国内初 | NHKニュース
神奈川県に住む80代の女性が死亡し、新型コロナウイルスに感染していたことがわかりました。国内で新型コロナウイルスの感染者…
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Nurses performing this swab test must get covered with phlegm and mucus stuff all over... :o
This outbreak just demonstrates yet again how harmful lack of transparency in government is. Numbers jumping because they were only counting people tested by limited test kits. Clearly, they had the numbers of CT scan confirmations already or else they couldn't have had them ready so quickly. So basically, the numbers previously correlated with the test kits available and not necessarily with the number of infected, smh.
This kind of screwing with the numbers makes it difficult to ascertain how the virus works. In The Guardian I read that Chinese officials aren't being transparent about demographics of the deceased either. So it's unclear who belongs to risk groups etc.
It's not just China either, although Xi is obviously pretty bad. Trump doesn't seem to care a bit, not assisting with humanitarian aid and not preparing. The UK and other European countries seem way too sure of themselves that they have the capacity to deal with a sharp increase in infections.
Nevertheless, all we can do is try and stay positive, be sensible, and hope that the poor people in Hubei province catch a break soon.
This kind of screwing with the numbers makes it difficult to ascertain how the virus works. In The Guardian I read that Chinese officials aren't being transparent about demographics of the deceased either. So it's unclear who belongs to risk groups etc.
It's not just China either, although Xi is obviously pretty bad. Trump doesn't seem to care a bit, not assisting with humanitarian aid and not preparing. The UK and other European countries seem way too sure of themselves that they have the capacity to deal with a sharp increase in infections.
Nevertheless, all we can do is try and stay positive, be sensible, and hope that the poor people in Hubei province catch a break soon.
Coronavirus: 8 new cases in Singapore, including 5 more linked to Grace Assembly church, 1 linked to DBS case
The new cases include a 54-year-old man who is a National University of Singapore professor. Read more at straitstimes.com.
5 new cases linked to the second church cluster, 2 more cases from the construction worksite cluster, and 1 family member of the DBS employee. Our reporting of cases in Singapore is probably the most detailed and specific case study of how this spreads in a dense modern city. It's not going to go away anytime soon. :(
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www.genengnews.com
Usually CT scan is better at showing the damage you have to organs rather than the cause of said damage, but I guess they feel the lesions are pretty characteristic of corona.
Coronavirus Patient CT Scans Reveal Imaging Features
A team characterizes the key chest CT imaging findings in a group of patients infected with the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in China.
www.genengnews.com
Usually CT scan is better at showing the damage you have to organs rather than the cause of said damage, but I guess they feel the lesions are pretty characteristic of corona.
Unfortunately we are going to start seeing a lot more of this soon. We are experiencing the time delay to death and you can see that the deaths are starting to ramp up outside of Hubei. Pretty soon Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan will start experiencing deaths on a daily basisJust saw on TV a news flash saying the virus claimed its first death in Japan.
A woman in her 80s.
Edit:
NHK article about it.
新型コロナウイルス 神奈川の80代女性死亡 感染者死亡は国内初 | NHKニュース
神奈川県に住む80代の女性が死亡し、新型コロナウイルスに感染していたことがわかりました。国内で新型コロナウイルスの感染者…
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