Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Bloomberg and Biden are the two candidates with strong potential to lose to Trump I think. Both of them are uninspiring and depressing. Though Biden I give 50/50 odds at least. Bloomberg would lose to Trump. And even if he won he would be a loss for America.
I just said in the other thread that anyone giving even tepid support to Bloomberg at this stage is basically admitting they care more for decorum than humanity and I guess it needs to be said here too.
So while it's good to keep an eye on Bloomberg, I don't see the need in comparing him to Trump when he's not even close to being the nominee yet. I'd rather be more optimistic.
Klobuchar: 'We need to build a big tent' for anti-abortion Democrats
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Klobuchar: ‘We need to build a big tent’ for anti-abortion Democrats
Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) on Tuesday said that the Democratic Party should be a “big tent” for people of different beliefs, including those …
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Klobuchar: 'We need to build a big tent' for anti-abortion Democrats
Klobuchar: ‘We need to build a big tent’ for anti-abortion Democrats
Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) on Tuesday said that the Democratic Party should be a “big tent” for people of different beliefs, including those …
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The Dems tried this in the past and it never fails to get women to stay home.
Some of the most dedicated volunteers and staff I've met were women, disproportionately so. Letting anti abortion flourish would be a death sentence.
This is why we should stop freaking out about super early numbers. It's a good sign, shows people are fired up about beating Trump.
Klobuchar: 'We need to build a big tent' for anti-abortion Democrats
Klobuchar: ‘We need to build a big tent’ for anti-abortion Democrats
Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) on Tuesday said that the Democratic Party should be a “big tent” for people of different beliefs, including those …
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Yeah, good luck with that.
Someone remind me why you're all talking about Bloomberg like he won when there's still three weeks before anyone can even cast a ballot for him.
It's like you all insist on stressing yourselves out over shit that hasn't and probably won't actually happen. The 'dems in disarray' narrative really getting you in disarray.
It's like you all insist on stressing yourselves out over shit that hasn't and probably won't actually happen. The 'dems in disarray' narrative really getting you in disarray.
You will never hear this argument from Republicans - Democrats should stop compromising and negotiating against themselves.Klobuchar: 'We need to build a big tent' for anti-abortion Democrats
Klobuchar: ‘We need to build a big tent’ for anti-abortion Democrats
Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) on Tuesday said that the Democratic Party should be a “big tent” for people of different beliefs, including those …
just... lol
Klobuchar: 'We need to build a big tent' for anti-abortion Democrats
Klobuchar: ‘We need to build a big tent’ for anti-abortion Democrats
Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) on Tuesday said that the Democratic Party should be a “big tent” for people of different beliefs, including those …
just... lol
Jesus, already with the compromise bullshitL
See, this is why going on Fox News and delivering your unadulterated message (see Sanders) is called successfully reaching across the aisles and why this move is called compromising your progressive message. The former is good, the latter is bad.
[EDIT] How pathetic is it that you feel the need to water down your platform within your own party, let alone the other side?
She really is the worst candidate not named Bloomberg that could actually win this thing holy shit.Klobuchar: 'We need to build a big tent' for anti-abortion Democrats
Klobuchar: ‘We need to build a big tent’ for anti-abortion Democrats
Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) on Tuesday said that the Democratic Party should be a “big tent” for people of different beliefs, including those …
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How did we go from Castro, Beto, Booker, Harris and Warren to fucking Klobuchar and Buttigieg. Jesus.
100% this
If you're already at the point where you're trying to rationalize how Bloomberg wouldn't be that bad, you don't care about people. Full stop. If you're giving even a sliver of energy to telling people why they might need to vote for Bloomberg in the general, that's disgusting.
You're right. I struggled to find a good way to phrase this. I guess I should have said something like "compromising the progressive politics your party is supposed to represent".
This is what I'm wondering right now. Like, holy fuck, I wasn't expecting a great candidate out of this shit but we really filtered down to the worst.
Because people are already putting on the capes and going "well actually he wouldn't be that bad, and all that matters is beating Trump anyway"
Fuck them. Bloomberg is every bit as malignant as Trump both in the short and long-term.
It is a moral imperative that we demand better and that we do better, and that we do not lend our energy to minimizing evil.
Everyone supporting progressive values went to Bernie when the more progressive candidates who weren't Bernie wouldn't full-throated support medicare for all. everyone else just wants a fucking horse race
While I have serious doubts about Biden's mental acuity, even he is a step ahead of Amy when it comes to policy.
Sure but I wish the moderates coalesced around someone like Booker or Harris over Amy or Pete.
Everyone didn't go to Bernie as the non-Bernie second choicers far outvote Bernie. Bernie's path to victory at this instant is a divided field swapping between flavor of the week candidates.
Ye-up.
There are tons of conservatives everywhere. The US in general is a conservative country. While there are a good amount of liberals/progressives which are typically found in the Democratic party, there are also a number of conservatives too among all demographic groups.
No one is preparing for anything though, they're just giving themselves headaches. If you want to 'prepare' you should be encouraging each other to phone bank and canvass.
A hostage can look like they are complying with the hostage-taker and still do it in a cautious manner. These Republicans have laid their necks of the chopping block for Trump in a way that suggests more than fear of his wrath, even if that wrath compels some form of allegiance. Perhaps you view the party differently than I but I don't see Trump as an anomaly but rather as the natural coalescence of the GOP's decades of Right Wing ideology predicated heavily on their embrace of the Evangelical voting bloc, which subsequently ensures all sorts of bigotry and restrictive social policy in trying to deliver these voters their much-desired theocracy.
And again, I think it highly unlikely that Trump would actually try and stay if he lost the election and even more unlikely is the GOP backing such an egregious misstep but my point remains that I would never – after everything that has transpired – entirely discount the possibility, however remote.
For me personally, the last three years have been a successive timeline of things I thought would never happen.
Also – and I say this with respect as you seem like an intelligent political ally – I can multitask.
I can worry about something like this – even if we agree it's unlikely – and focus on the more immediate issues at hand.
Regardless, I appreciate you taking the time to converse and I maintain that I sincerely hope you're right.
Feel free to launch an I TOLD YOU SO PM in January. :)
Maybe not closet conservatives, but there are those that are conservative of the old realizing the current GOP is not the conservative views they once were and are likely voting right most democrat.
A lot of moderate, professional Republicans who don't care too much about social issues but like capitalism jumped to the Dems, just like a bunch of racist white supremacist Dems who like government spending (but just for them) jumped to the GOP. The alignment started after the CRA and led to the destruction of the Rockefeller Republicans and Dixiecrats.
The US system historically has been very skewed to the right relative to say many western European countries...moderates is a nice name for neoliberals I suppose who are pretty economically conservative.
Interesting chart from poliera, apparently based on the locations of SDEs/turnout. Seems like the nonvoters did turn out, but not for Bernie.
I'm not talking about some percentage black support of Bloomberg, the only way Bloomberg wins the nom is if the majority of his support is black. I don't think Bloomberg is gonna win the nom however.
Damn, that rules. Bloomberg basically has to stop campaigning now, right?
Interesting chart from poliera, apparently based on the locations of SDEs/turnout. Seems like the nonvoters did turn out, but not for Bernie.
If they were non-voters in 2016 but splitting among moderates now, then presumably they are primarily motivated not by any particular ideology or policy but by beating Trump, and they want to vote for someone who they view as "least scary".
Bernie needs to start positioning himself as THE anti-Trump.
Because the parties have been realiging pretty hard over the last 40 years.
There are plenty of urban pro-business voters that have left the GOP since the 80s. The old "Rockefeller Republican" who was pro-civil rights, pro-LGBT rights and often pro-Union.
I'm going to oversimplify things a bit here, but as the parties have become more homogenized in viewpoints it's created a weird rub.
Democrats tend to be socially progressive and economically progressive.
Republicans tend to be socially shitbags and economically conservative.
So you wound up with people who may be more economically conservative than the party at large but who were socially very liberal who lived in large cities and would vote for more pro-business Dems. See: New York City.
Post-Trump this has accelerated because on-top of being socially shitbags the Republican party has become populist which means lots of moderate Rs who live in urban and suburban environments have been left without a party that they really want to support.
When in an internet bubble like era you are in a more hardline progressive forum where most people tend to be demographically similar and you start thinking the party as a whole looks like your peer group. The United States is a pretty conservative country, and the Dem party needs conservative voters to win elections.
Or these were never-Trump Rs who are considering flipping D and want a moderate D to win the primary.
You know what makes Bloomberg an especially awful proposition?
If he is nominated, and if he wins the GE... He can run again in 2024. As the default Democratic candidate even. With a high chance to win as the incumbent.
The worst case scenario with Trump is 4 more years.
I would never vote for either of those clowns. Just giving some more food for thought to the BetterBloombergThanTrump here.
With that said, it's not over yet. Go Bernie!
If he is nominated, and if he wins the GE... He can run again in 2024. As the default Democratic candidate even. With a high chance to win as the incumbent.
The worst case scenario with Trump is 4 more years.
I would never vote for either of those clowns. Just giving some more food for thought to the BetterBloombergThanTrump here.
With that said, it's not over yet. Go Bernie!
That new NC poll from High Point has a LV and RV split. Sanders leads by 6 with RV, Biden leads by 4 with LV.
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