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Disney-Sony Standoff Ends Marvel Studios & Kevin Feige’s Involvement In ‘Spider-Man’
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You're giving Avi Arad and Tom Rothman too much credit. They suck.
Hey man, maybe Disney just wants to give Sony free money as a thank you?
Sheesh this thread is moving fast!
I didn't want to believe it, but I figured this was going to happen after Spider Verse and Venom doing so well for Sony. I imagined a scenario where THEY asked for more and Feige just shrugs and says "Welp, no biggie, I've got X-Men and Fantastic Four to play with now. See ya!"
Let's hope this isn't set in stone and we can at least a proper MCU sendoff with the third movie. I love the MCU, but I feel both companies messed up.
Man there's some really bad takes on both sides. This and the "I hope Sony burns to the ground" guy. Geeze...
This is such a dumb discredit to the character. It's like watching Civil War and going "No more Avengers crap in my CAPTAIN AMERICA films..."
I bet there's people happy who will be happy about MJ being a white redhead again too.
I didn't want to believe it, but I figured this was going to happen after Spider Verse and Venom doing so well for Sony. I imagined a scenario where THEY asked for more and Feige just shrugs and says "Welp, no biggie, I've got X-Men and Fantastic Four to play with now. See ya!"
Let's hope this isn't set in stone and we can at least a proper MCU sendoff with the third movie. I love the MCU, but I feel both companies messed up.
Man there's some really bad takes on both sides. This and the "I hope Sony burns to the ground" guy. Geeze...
This is such a dumb discredit to the character. It's like watching Civil War and going "No more Avengers crap in my CAPTAIN AMERICA films..."
I bet there's people happy who will be happy about MJ being a white redhead again too.
The Spiderman 3 curse continues?
I actually enjoyed parts of venom so i am down for a hollardy verse
I actually enjoyed parts of venom so i am down for a hollardy verse
No, it's perfect.
"Who the hell are you?"
".........................Spider.........man"
*does completely lifeless roundhouse kick*
We're talking about the same Sony Pictures, right? With Tom Hardy as Venom and Woody Harrelson as Carnage? You think those people are going to do right by the IP? Their track record doesn't instill any confidence that they'll do good things from here on out, and if anything, they'll try to milk the next to films as quickly as possible, and ram the venomverse into the films, while somehow completely ignoring any of the MCU stuff that has been integral to the development of current Spidey. It's going to be a trainwreck unless it gets yet another reboot (bleh).
There's no next big crossover movie announced for the near future, nor any Spider-man solo movie. It really seems like they've already announced a line up that can move on without Spider-man.
There's a whole another movie to make before this deal ends right? Both sides walking away from the table is probably just an early power move and they'll come to a deal by the time this is all said and done. If they brought back James Gunn I believe they'll sort this out.
Unless Sony has 0 intention because they are convinced they can make there own Spidey verse...which they will fuck up. Into the Spider Verse was a fluke
Unless Sony has 0 intention because they are convinced they can make there own Spidey verse...which they will fuck up. Into the Spider Verse was a fluke
No, it's perfect.
"Who the hell are you?"
".........................Spider.........man"
*does completely lifeless roundhouse kick*
Nothing like a Spider-Man who can't emote!
Disney fucked up here big time.
This doesn't effect me directly but my condolences to the fans.
This doesn't effect me directly but my condolences to the fans.
Yeah. Sony made those movies and made bank. The only way Sony takes that deal is if the 50/50 cofinance deal works for them. Disney isn't going to offer that just for publicity. My guess is they wanted an amount that made no sense math wise for Sony. Sony would need to see at minimum $400 million from a 60/40 split to make a venom 2 cofinanced perspective. They could do that or fund 100 million for 800 million. The deal doesn't work unless Disney wants a smaller cut, but Disney isn't going to offer 50/50 cofinance for a small amount as their investment must makes sense for a return. Sony sees they can get 700+ million movies, and that is OK for a studio.
Sony got their Spider-Man franchise, which was on the decline, repaired and attached to the biggest film franchise of all time. Considering the box office trajectory of their movies and where the Spider-Man films are now I would consider it a sweetheart deal for Sony.
This whole thread.
"Disney got greedy"
"Stupid Sony"
"Co-financing isn't about profits"
"It was MCU dreck anyways"
"Tobey is back"
"Andrew is back"
"What about the Playstation games"
"Doesn't anyone care I'm hungry?"
"Lisa needs braces!"
"Dental plan!"
-Disney+ Nov 2019.
Brink of madness? I'm saying it's funny watch everybody bitch at sony for not giving up 50% of their most valuable film asset, when they can EASILY make that money putting out trash. As pointed out time and time again, sony made nearly a billion with that trash venom movie and nearly 800 million with those trash TASM movies. a 50/50 cut even at 1.2 billion like far from home made, is 600 million. It's very very basic math. I would assume this also means sony gets merchandising rights back for their future movies, so that's even more profit. This is a no brainer for sony, stop laying it at their feet when disney tried to bend them over.
How dare they try to obtain more control of a character that's there's.
I am willing to bet 1000$ we see zombie uncle Ben in this movie.
Played by John Stamos.
The MCU is the most profitable film franchise in history.
So yes, the price to be a part of that is going to be steep. Far From Home is the highest-grossing film to ever come out of Sony studios so you'd think they'd be willing to pay the toll and keep Spidey in the MCU.
And yes, Disney is greedy.
So is Sony.
The difference is one of them makes mega-hit after mega-hit and the other is Sony.
Regardless, I'm bummed. I loved the MCU Spider-Man.
So yes, the price to be a part of that is going to be steep. Far From Home is the highest-grossing film to ever come out of Sony studios so you'd think they'd be willing to pay the toll and keep Spidey in the MCU.
And yes, Disney is greedy.
So is Sony.
The difference is one of them makes mega-hit after mega-hit and the other is Sony.
Regardless, I'm bummed. I loved the MCU Spider-Man.
In what world do you think the current MCU doesn't need Spidey????!
I don't think the movies will be better off with sony, but I can understand why Sony isn't immediately bowing to Disney's every wish or request. That doesn't make them dumb.
There's no real reasonable discussion to be had here. Which is probably the point of this news getting out. One side is hoping public pressure will force the other's hand.
Oh my god
This exactly. It's only a matter of time before Sony fucks it up
And the greatest Superhero of all time suffers
Truly, integrating him so hard into the MCU was a bad bad move.
At the same time, Sony is making an even worse move here. They're way underestimating how important those sequels being MCU are. I wonder if Tom Holland and the director are going to try to figure out how to drop out of the movies now, it's pretty fucking shitty for them too.
Tbh this just feels like part of the negotiation for this story to hit the press. They'll be back at the table.
The terms aren't disclosed, but Marvel had an agreement in the past to help produce the Spider-Man movies-and in turn part of that deal was to use Spider-Man in their own movies-and we don't know how many future non-Spidey movies that Marvel Studios wanted to include Spider-Man in. Sony doesn't just let them use Spider-Man and Tom Holland for free in whatever movie they want.
Or are you under the impression that Marvel was able to use Spider-Man in Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame free of charge?
Yeah, the only thing I feel comfortable commenting on is the end result and its eventual repercussions.
I'm genuinely surprised this forum has so many contract lawyers and corporate negotiators.
Tobey Time
Dude's practically a grandpa. Who would want to see that?
I see. It's still a bad deal for Sony. Why relinquish control and potential revenue to Disney who is already making more from merchandising?
So the next' flicks that were under the previous contract are still happening with the mcu background or nah?
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