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Disney-Sony Standoff Ends Marvel Studios & Kevin Feige’s Involvement In ‘Spider-Man’
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I forgot how many Disney haters there are here. I should bow out before they come at me with how Disney ruins everything
Spidey is and always will be a far more popular and recognizable hero than dorks like the Eternals.
To be fair a large part of Black Panther's success was being a cultural landmark, not just being "look at how popular niche comic character films are because of Feige" - that domestic run was insane.
I don't agree that the MCU "needs Spider-Man" btw.
I've calmed down ever so slightly...no way this sticks. It's a bad move for both companies. I think they'll renegotiate
They fuckin better. Hate Spider-Man is locked in this custody battle
They fuckin better. Hate Spider-Man is locked in this custody battle
Co-financing isn't the same as a profit split. We have no idea what the split would have been. The only thing we know is that this was a move for Disney to invest heavily into the Spider-Man IP, which was almost certainly a play for them to wiggle in and potentially buy the IP in the future. Disney likely wanted to fund them to get exclusive rights on things like Disney + along with future crossover events.
We can lay anything at Sony's feet when their track record is hot dogshit. We at least know that Marvel Studios at least *cares* about the IP and the source material.
I'm just being snide because I'm always irritated by people who use the english language poorly to make a mockery of people for being upset that something they enjoy may fundamentally change for the worst. Using language like "watching these fanboys is hilarious" is a fast track to let everyone know you're kind of a jerk, lol.
I can't wait to read the retraction thread where Disney and Sony make a deal to keep Spidey in the fold.
you're crazy dude
marvel can shill out anything and it makes a billion nowadays
I don't care how much each of the mega corporations make off of a movie. I just want Spider-Man to be in good movies, and if Sony's version of "we can do it ourselves" is something like Venom, then it's not worth seeing.
Sony is capable of making good Spider-Man movies, but unless the team behind the animated one is involved, I don't really see it happening.
I don't really give a shit about the pockets of billionaires, but from a basic business standpoint sony would've been incredibly stupid to accept this deal. Accepting this deal they lose hundreds of millions when they can create their own "venom/spiderman" universe now and make just as much by putting out trash.
Also why are we acting like it's physically impossible for sony to put out a good spiderman? The raimi spidermans are outstanding and spiderverse was the best spiderman movie overall arguably.
And the clueless Disney diehards in here would defend Disney no matter what when Disney already tries to own everything in the world. Imagine calling Sony greedy for refusing to give into Disney's bullshit.
How is wanting to keep the deal they had being greedy? The had a plan when they made the deal and executed on it, it's not like sony surprised them and made spider-man a huge mcu character under disney's Noses. Everyone was happy with how things were working. Disney is the one trying to change things.
Not only does Disney want the spider-man money, they want the venom money and the morbius money too. It's kind of absurd to think just how much of Sony movie profits Disney is trying to take.
Sony tried though already and look how it turned out.
Also now runned by X-Men hack Tom.
if i know anything about Rothman, it wont happen as is.
i think the discussion will probably continue, honestly. they might still get a deal worked out
The moment Venom randomly made bank despite itself, I figured this would happen.
Good luck Tom Rothman and Sony, you're going to need it.
Good luck Tom Rothman and Sony, you're going to need it.
The only movie studio fanboys that exist in any kind of meaningful quantity are Disney ones.and Sony fans be like
What the hell does this have to do with anything? Marvel has proven they can make money with any MCU character. Ok cool.
Just like Spider-Man, if you pull Captain Marvel and Black Panther from the MCU with no explanation it is going to be horrible. You can't just remove characters who have become so important to the main story.
And despite your argument that the box office take means anything, Marvel was OBVIOUSLY banking on Spider-Man having a pretty big role in the next phase of Avenger movies. Unless you were watching different movies than me.....
Um, did Sony not produce/publish the last two spider films? The only involvement Disney had was to let them share a universe? Why are spelling doom and gloom for the next spidey film again? What am I missing?
So is this just public posturing by companies trying to get a better deal, or is Spidey's involvement in the MCU really in jeopardy?
I don't know the legalese or plausibility about this, but it would be crazy if right after Sony bought Insomniac to work on more Spider-man games, the license gets pulled.
... The current MCU that just got rights to F4 and X-men? Is that really your question?
and Sony fans be like
Yeah, if this means we get a fast tracked Miss Marvel movie I am happy.
there are not sony fans, just disney haters
I doubt even Disney thought Sony would agree to that new deal, they'll might get back together but a bigger slice than the first deal. Start high negotiation tactic.
Maybe Disney also wanted to make their own films with Holland without Disney oversight if that was ever a thing, I doubt Disney would like that Sony brand of Spider-man films in an audiences mind connected to the MCU.
Sony have upset the mouse.....watch your back.
Maybe Disney also wanted to make their own films with Holland without Disney oversight if that was ever a thing, I doubt Disney would like that Sony brand of Spider-man films in an audiences mind connected to the MCU.
Sony have upset the mouse.....watch your back.
EXCUSE ME WHAT?
How the fuck do you get rid of your most promising part of the MCU going forward????? WHY??????
How the fuck do you get rid of your most promising part of the MCU going forward????? WHY??????
The MCU doesn't need Spider-Man (look how well it did before the character turned up) but the last Spider-Man film positioned him pretty clearly as the successor to Iron Man, which makes him pretty important in the whatever grand schemes Marvel were concocting. Schemes which now unravel and need to have the character written out.
Yeah stupid sony too. What a bunch of idiots completely ruining the chances at them getting a huge block buster franchise out of Spiderman.
People seem to forget this. You always ask for more and negotiate down, Sony just said no.
Outside of Spiderverse only Spiderman 2 was any good. Most of their comic movies have been straight trash and are being lead by mister "see Deadpool's mouth shut".
Greed by both but because Sony didn't want to negotiate, Spiderman is back to shit again
Tbh Into The Spiderverse was way above a lot of MCU movies for me. In terms of capturing Spiderman
That was 15 years ago. Since then every live action Spider-man movie from Sony has been a constant stream of shit.
What? I just started reading the thread and I see lots of 'Arrogant Sony', 'Fuck Sony' etc.
Wakanda is kind of an isolated world/theme though, and works better in that non-MCU world. It resonates in a different way than any Marvel character.
But Holland's Spiderman is absolutely what Marvel wanted to build on for future phases, and losing him means losing arguably the most recognisable and beloved Avenger.
Their plans are up in the air.
Well, Sony Pictures is not known to be the best at dealing with the Spider-Man IP as a business. Specially when those leaks happened.
But right, probably the 50/50 co-financing was going to arrive with a strongly worded suggestions about how/where/why/which/what they can use/license/buy in terms of cost. Probably even at BO splits, but that part is only speculation by ourselves, and we aren't Sony shareholders anyway...
What we really have right now is: Exhibit A) Venom, Exhibit B) The Amazing Spider-Man 1 & 2, Exhibit C) Spider-Man 3
to be widely skeptical about what Sony can do about a future Spider-Man live-action film solo :'v
Even then, Spidey will still be more popular and recognizable.
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