Thinking on it, Vegeta's assist nerf will probably nerf Gohan significantly too. Less j.2S shenanigans maybe.
Stay away from my team!!!!1!!
As a fellow 16 player I fear that they're going to go too far with 16 nerfs as well even though I don't think he actually needs too much in regards to changes.
Do we have any idea when the new modes (Z League, Raid Battle) will show up?
Stay away from my team!!!!1!!
Yeah same I might actually pick him up again now. Loved Freeza at launch.Frieza getting buffed definitely has my attention. He was on my original team at launch and I had to drop him after I got out of the scrub tiers in ranked.
Vegeta's assist getting tweaked is probably going to hurt a lot of characters including 16
I'm at 800k and every other match has 16.At my level I very rarely see 16s anymore honestly. Once I broke through the 530k barrier and got that trophy 16s started phasing out and were replaced with Gohans (and now Bardocks) for days.
Weird. I'm floating around 620k and I never see him. Maybe I'm just getting lucky?
I haven't played very frequently recently. Next time I do, I'll keep track of the character variety.Weird. I'm floating around 620k and I never see him. Maybe I'm just getting lucky?
I haven't played very frequently lately either (might change that tonight) and I'll do the same.I haven't played very frequently recently. Next time I do, I'll keep track of the character variety.
Vegetas are all over the place online. I've honestly gotten to the point where I constantly try to snap in Vegetas in order to kill them off quickly and completely fuck up the opponents synergy.
Well, Kid Buu is one of the best characters in the game, with a fantastic assist, ridiculous pressure, a great DHC, great range, a small size (which lets him get under some other characters' pressure), etc.Does kid buu need nerfs? What do they need to touch up on him?
800k is Super Saiyan God, yes.All the 16 mains are all probably SS Gods. FSLink probably sees them all the time. Ain't you a God to Flux? This would explain everything
Any chance of them nerfing 21? She doesn't seem much better than the rest of the cast (upper mid, IIRC?).
Any chance of them nerfing 21? She doesn't seem much better than the rest of the cast (upper mid, IIRC?).
Cell's not out of the woods yet. He could be part of that "etc" plus he could get affected by some across the board changes they makeHow the fuck is Cell not getting nerfed? His damage is stupid. Hopefully his damage gets indirectly nerfed with bug fixes. I'm excited for Frieza and Piccolo buffs! I stuck with my team and it looks like it might pay off.
I hope they don't. Yes, she has good damage, but mostly with assists. She might get a bit more in the corner by herself than other characters due to being able to combo j.H into j.2H but that's not a lot more. Nerfing her damage while still not giving her any means to get a sliding knockdown is too much imo. I think the only thing they should do to her in terms of character balance is to take out her infinite, although I would definitely welcome slight buffs like making her 5L a 6f normal instead of 7f or something else. That is, if they intend to not give her a sliding knockdown.Any chance of them nerfing 21? She doesn't seem much better than the rest of the cast (upper mid, IIRC?).
The amount of times I've accidentally healed the enemy is embarrassing.I wonder if its the worst in the game since it can heal the enemy too
I mean, does he? He's good but there's nothing about him that really screams "nerf this" besides maybe his 2H.Black isn't in that list either and we all know he deserves some kind of nerf. He's also probably part of that etc.
I mean, does he? He's good but there's nothing about him that really screams "nerf this" besides maybe his 2H.
On that topic, one of the many things they should do about A.Gohan is to deal with his 2L because that thing is also ridiculous.
I would definitely tweak the hurtbox of his 5LL because that thing is ridiculous.I mean, does he? He's good but there's nothing about him that really screams "nerf this" besides maybe his 2H.
2L or 5L?On that topic, one of the many things they should do about A.Gohan is to deal with his 2L because that thing is also ridiculous.
Both, really.
SameAt my level I very rarely see 16s anymore honestly. Once I broke through the 530k barrier and got that trophy 16s started phasing out and were replaced with Gohans (and now Bardocks) for days.
This is why I think reducing 16's armor is more than enough of a nerf for him. You take that away and quite honestly 16 suddenly has a much harder time getting in than someone like Bardock or GohanThat's because 16 demands more work than Gohan.
Gohan is obnoxious on every level and completely well rounded with no flaw. Coming with a DP, beam, 6f low, you know damn well why many people replaced 16 for him.
Something about all of this has to go, I think. Personally, I would take away his hard knockdown and maybe tweak some of his frames. He can keep the armor as long as he doesn't get to put you almost for free in a situation where possibly the fate of your character comes down to pure guessing.The armor is just a part of the problem. I think that 16 just has too much in a game where other characters could use a lot more. His ki blast is great, he has long range, he has a meterless hard knockdown from a command grab that is the fastest in the game according to Dustloop's frame data, he works well with almost any assist in the game, his own assist is great, he has a move that's +4 on block, his armor is better than Broly's because it goes through anything other than supers, the hitbox of some of his jumping normals are active for way longer than most other air normals in the game (as Yohosie found out some time ago), has an air level 1 that even if people don't use it at least he has it (unlike, say, Blue Vegeta, Yamcha, or many other characters).
On its own, all that stuff wouldn't really be a problem, but when you put all of that together on a single character, when other characters are nowhere to be seen because of how limited their tools are, then I think that's a really big problem.