Not anti-EV just anti car in general, I am in the pocket of big train and public transportation especially in cities.
For a lot of cities good bike infrastructure + e-bikes make a lot of sense too.
Not anti-EV just anti car in general, I am in the pocket of big train and public transportation especially in cities.
not only is the grid getting cleaner, but the venn diagram of EV owners who also get solar is not insignificant.I felt like this thread needed to be made, especially on this forum I see so much anti EV propaganda(that usually stems from Koch brothers funded disinformation campaigns), and downright false statements being made....people seem to want to hand wave away EVs as if they're somehow not important in the fight against climate change and don't move the needle. That could not be further from the truth. A Tesla Model 3 in New York gets the equivalent of 306 mpg. In California it's 161. That matters. The grid becomes more and more clean every single year, therefore so do EVs, that matters. Pretending hybrids are good enough is asinine and only lets the oil industry continue to win and continue to collect revenue to fund political campaigns to prevent action.
Start a thread about the dangers of SUVs/Trucks, how the increase in large vehicle purchases are offsetting environmental gains from EVs, or really anything anti-large vehicle, and see how it goes. I got buried in the last one, drivers on this forum LOVE their big vehicles, and are unwilling to even consider the alternatives.
Ideally you'd want to leave the car to charge overnight, not have to drive it to a charging point. Especially since they need charging more often than a standard car needs petrol and take much longer to charge than it takes to fill up. To get the kind of proliferation that tips the scales in favour of electric will take government intervention I think.
not only is the grid getting cleaner, but the venn diagram of EV owners who also get solar is not insignificant.
Yeah, but electric charging stations are not like gas stations where you stop to fill in for two minutes and then go. Cars charge over a long period of time, which is why they charge at home.
If you have a supercharge station nearby you can charge up to 80% in about 45 minutes. Lots of people I know park at a Target supercharger, do the errands, and are good for 2-3 days.
I live in a townhouse and installed a charger in my garage. Do you not have a garage in your townhouse?Yes it does, because people like to leave their cars at the homes at night. So they can wake up and take their car to work in the morning without adding another quest mission.
Not anti-EV just anti car in general, I am in the pocket of big train and public transportation especially in cities.
Isn't it bad long term for the batteries to ONLY be charged via superchargers? if you have no home/work charging?
There was a video from Engineering Explained on Youtube that I watched that did the math and found that if you actually take manufacturing the battery into account in addition to charging, in many states it's better for the environment to either have a normal hybrid or plug-in hybrid than pure EV. Anything is better than full gas cars though. Just wish EV's weren't so expensive and there were a greater variety of performance EV's.
I've been considering a used Nissan leaf because of how cheap they are.Sounds great. If I had the ability to purchase a $30,000+ automobile I would definitely want it to be an EV.
If you only factor in powertrain then the Model 3 has the potential to last a long time (although I dunno about 500k miles, isn't the warranty only 70% of battery life guaranteed for 8 years/120k miles for the long range?), but my last 3 cars have all been retired due to reasons other than the powertrain. Rust, interior/exterior physical damage, electronics issues, and wear & tear can all reduce ownership length.Yeah it's certainly not ideal, they're more meant for road trips... But I've read plenty of Tesla stories of people doing nothing but supercharging and showing minimal degradation after years
Yeah I remember watching that video, and I do believe he cuts off the calculation after what 5 to 6 years. I was making the point earlier that the standard 200k miles and then the car needs to be crushed at a junkyard really does not apply to EVs and makes these calculations end up completely wrong because it's not looking at lifetime. Obviously it will take years to get the data, but I see no reason the vast majority of Model 3s won't end up lasting 500k plus miles... That REALLY changes the carbon equations. The battery is rated to last 500k miles.. And that doesn't mean it stops working then, just will be showing degradation but by all means the car will continue to drive just with less range, while the drive train is rated for a million miles. Everything else is trivial to repair/replace. The next gen Tesla batterys are supposed to be rated for a million miles as well, that will fundamentaly alter the very idea of car ownership if 1 car can last an entire lifetime of driving....
If you only factor in powertrain then the Model 3 has the potential to last a long time (although I dunno about 500k miles, isn't the warranty only 70% of battery life guaranteed for 8 years/120k miles for the long range?), but my last 3 cars have all been retired due to reasons other than the powertrain. Rust, interior/exterior physical damage, electronics issues, and wear & tear can all reduce ownership length.
I'd be curious to see if extreme heat/cold will have an effect on how long the battery lasts overall, like for example if having 100 degree weather a large portion of the year will cause premature wear.Yeah the warranty only lasts 120k. I meant Teslas internal testing had the battery cycle count to be the equivalent of 500k miles. Yeah I think a big part of the Cybertruck is actually the external/rust thing. The rest of a Tesla is pretty modular, the Cpu can be easily swapped out etc
You think people can go sit 30+ minutes every night at a random off site charger? That's not a solution.I was talking about region obviously. Living in a townhome doesn't prevent someone from going to an off-site charging station if they are available.
30+ minutes however often they normally would refuel at a gas station.You think people can go sit 30+ minutes every night at a random off site charger? That's not a solution.
Biggest battle against Electric cars right there.
WV. So no there are not public anything stations here. Rural areas dont have those in most of the country.I don't know where you guys live, but there are public charging stations.
are you talking about this one?There was a video from Engineering Explained on Youtube that I watched that did the math and found that if you actually take manufacturing the battery into account in addition to charging, in many states it's better for the environment to either have a normal hybrid or plug-in hybrid than pure EV. Anything is better than full gas cars though. Just wish EV's weren't so expensive and there were a greater variety of performance EV's.
I can agree with that.For a lot of cities good bike infrastructure + e-bikes make a lot of sense too.
Invest in public transportation end of story.Never happening in most of America. Most of the country was built out for roads and freeways. Cars need to be electric, end of story.
are you talking about this one?
I've watched a number of his videos, and that hasn't been my take away. I've also watched a number of other videos about it. From my understanding driving average miles per year it takes about 2 years for the EV to offset its total carbon footprint from creation.
this goes up or down based on how much you drive and if your getting clean energy from say solar panels on your roof.
It does take that into account. It says so in the article.Still not taking into consideration all the emissions created from extraction of oil, refining of oil, and transporting gas to the gas station.
For a gasoline car, that means looking at emissions from extracting crude oil from the ground, moving the oil to a refinery, making gasoline and transporting gasoline to filling stations, in addition to combustion emissions from the tailpipe.
Sounds inconvenient as hellIf you have a supercharge station nearby you can charge up to 80% in about 45 minutes. Lots of people I know park at a Target supercharger, do the errands, and are good for 2-3 days.
This is not feasible for much of the United States due to size, existing structures, population, and geography. We need cheap car and on demand rides here.