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Simply a mistake. Even if he did intend to defend on the outside why would you choose the more risky option?
It seemed like he underestimated Max's momentum into the corner.
Because that's what he'd done successfully two laps previously. He just didn't have the room this time around.
I think the decision is the best thing, but they really really need to stop switching from 'let them race' to 'subsection 3(a) says....' week in week out. That's more damaging to the sport than anything.
The decision is right. Verstappen broke the letter of the law. But you should let driver's race.
The problem is Seb got fucked by the letter of the law in Canada. They shouldnt have given Seb a penalty.
As a Ferrari fan it feel a bit like getting fucked both ways, but hopefully the stewards will side with letting them race going forward.
The problem is Seb got fucked by the letter of the law in Canada. They shouldnt have given Seb a penalty.
As a Ferrari fan it feel a bit like getting fucked both ways, but hopefully the stewards will side with letting them race going forward.
The car overtaking pushes the other car off the track. Happened in both instances. And remember, Alex Wurz called the penalty against Rosberg a disgrace.
More importantly, when is Bottas getting the old heave-ho? Honestly, that pass by Verstappen was just embarrassing.
They were probably more concerned with losing time to Vettel.
What good reason did he have to defend? Max was flying, Valteri's car was overheating, tyres failing and Max had a chance to overtake Leclerc and take points off Ferrari.
What an awesome race that was. Finally a race with some action, brilliant overtakes and some upsets. Even though I was on the brink of falling asleep in the first half, I was on the edge of my seat the entire second half of the race.
And regarding the incident, I think it's the right call. I don't claim to be an F1 expert, having only watched it for 2 years. But I think that the racing line shouldn't be sacred. If a car tries to overtake, and thus blocking your original racing line, you shouldn't be able to stubbornly commit to your racing line and claim being forced off. You should block, or adapt your approach. Not ram into the other car screaming bloody murder for being forced off. Of course, within safe margins and without obvious harmful intent.
Regardless, it made for an absolutely thrilling ride! Enjoyed it a lot.
And regarding the incident, I think it's the right call. I don't claim to be an F1 expert, having only watched it for 2 years. But I think that the racing line shouldn't be sacred. If a car tries to overtake, and thus blocking your original racing line, you shouldn't be able to stubbornly commit to your racing line and claim being forced off. You should block, or adapt your approach. Not ram into the other car screaming bloody murder for being forced off. Of course, within safe margins and without obvious harmful intent.
Regardless, it made for an absolutely thrilling ride! Enjoyed it a lot.
What happened in Canada is not even close to what happened today. I don't understand why the comparison is even being made.
What a masterclass from Verstappen, what a race man
Regarding the incident, I'll Quote Senna, if you no longer go for a gap you no longer a racing driver, the gap was there and the Ferrari tried to hold the place after the mistake but was too late, the incident was forced by Ver as much as Lec
Regarding the incident, I'll Quote Senna, if you no longer go for a gap you no longer a racing driver, the gap was there and the Ferrari tried to hold the place after the mistake but was too late, the incident was forced by Ver as much as Lec
I'm a Senna fan and that's a bad quote to use. He only said it because he knew he took Prost out intentionally and didn't want to get disqualified from the season standings.
I know the context(prost did the same previously to senna) but even out of that context still holds true to this situation, racing drivers have to do that race and thats what happened today
Honda president confirms they will continue in F1, looks like the victory caused a last minute switcheroo, Japanese journos were sure they were pulling the plug.
Google translated from Honda.jp
Google translated from Honda.jp
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Senna isn't the alpha and omega of F1and as talented as he was he could also be a complete dick on track, I hate it when people use this quote as some sort of racing incident trump card. And that's coming from somebody who thought the correct decision was made today.
I wanted Leclerc to get the win, I'm not the biggest fan of Verstappen and I don't really like the Red Bull team but it was a racing incident and should never even have gone to a stewards decision. Leclerc should have conceded the corner earlier and tried to take a shallower angle and attempt to come back at max while they accelerated out of it.
The gap on the outside was going to close just as we've seen countless times in the past.
Glad Max kept his win, well deserved. People who thought it was a clear penalty obviously have an agenda as you can see ITT.
If there's no runoff, but a wall there than Leclerc let's off... he was in the lead it's his job to keep his position, he surrendered his position and let himself get ran out hoping for a penalty.
If there's no runoff, but a wall there than Leclerc let's off... he was in the lead it's his job to keep his position, he surrendered his position and let himself get ran out hoping for a penalty.
They'll be fine if they save all their marketing for Austria and Mexico.
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If anything max had control of his vehicle where Seb was just trying to regain traction.
If anything max had control of his vehicle where Seb was just trying to regain traction.
I like Lando and Charles way more than I like Max, but I wouldn't mind these three for few years, just someone stick Lando in a good car please.
Pretty sure they had to revert to an old rear wing as the one they had on Friday was shaky. Literally.
This is where I'm at. Lando seems to have pretty good racecraft and might even be out-driving that McL given where Sainz is placing it. And Leclerc just for consistently taking it to and beating Seb consistently whilst being considerably less experienced is great to see.
Max still needs to grow the fuck up though, still loves throwing tantys and occasionally pulling stupid shit on the track.
Moving away from the front: The Haas situation continues to baffle me.
Are they secretly filling it with rocket fuel for the Quali runs behind the FIA's back or something?
I remember back in the 80s and 90s you used to have cars that were blistering over one lap only to fall back somewhat during the race (and vice versa), but going from McLaren pace to Williams pace is just bonkers.
Are they secretly filling it with rocket fuel for the Quali runs behind the FIA's back or something?
I remember back in the 80s and 90s you used to have cars that were blistering over one lap only to fall back somewhat during the race (and vice versa), but going from McLaren pace to Williams pace is just bonkers.
Defending round the outside is almost always the more risky decision, even if it does happen to work on the previous lap.
Where's the inconsistency? You'll need to find a better example than Vettel's incident if that's what you were looking at.
When it comes to similar incidents in the past I think the stewards have actually classed them as racing incidents.
Interesting that you don't need to leave a car's width on the exit of corners any more. That should lead to a lot more overtaking in theory, although I suppose that in response the defending car will just always take the inside line now and run the other car off the track on the exit. It should provide for much more exciting racing either way, and probably a lot more collisions.
"Clearly, it's not a good weekend. Although we had the pace to be slightly higher up on the grid, the track exposed weaknesses of our car, similar to previous races but in a more exacerbated fashion this weekend. We need to identify if there was anything specific with set-ups or simply a feature of the chassis on which we must work."
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They don't understand either:
"Clearly, it's not a good weekend. Although we had the pace to be slightly higher up on the grid, the track exposed weaknesses of our car, similar to previous races but in a more exacerbated fashion this weekend. We need to identify if there was anything specific with set-ups or simply a feature of the chassis on which we must work."
-Cyril
Watched the race again (dozed off a few times watching it this morning) Such a relief to have some battling again. I wish we had this all season long. My only gripe about the penalty decision is that it feels pretty shitty after Canada. Penalties deciding results sucks. Hopefully going forward this starts a new trend of more hands off calls from the FIA. Can you imagine how fucking lame it would have been to have the results changed after all the celebrations etc? Sure I wanted Ferrari to win, and they should have won Canada, but I can move on if less penalties is the norm. So many "legendary" drivers and champions all have had questionable overtakes that seem to become celebrated in time but were seemingly pretty cheap and or reckless at the time. We need more attrition and driving cars to the limits again. So much conservative driving from fuel, tires, battery issues, etc. Here is hoping this race wasn't a fluke and we get some more quality for the remainder of the season. We need races where we have old guard, Vettel and Hamilton battling it out with Max, Leclerc and anyone else can get a decent ride.
I keep harping on it but its unbelievable how worse this makes Gasly again. Like jesus christ if i am Gasly im just about ready to fuck off from here. My team mate wins the race and im stuck behind a McLaren.
Hope he regains his confidence back and find some face cause this is some otherwordly beating hes getting
Hope he regains his confidence back and find some face cause this is some otherwordly beating hes getting
Not that it excuses him ending the race behind a McLaren or getting lapped by his team mate, but he did not have the upgraded front wing that Max was running. So there's that at least.
But Red Bull really needs to find a better driver to replace Gasly with. Right now they are pretty much a one driver team.
I know it's not going to happen but I would love for Lando to team up with Max. They are already virtual team mates and they seem to work great together. I'm also quickly becoming a fan of Norris.
Stats n facts time.
- GIO: Made Q3 for the 2nd consecutive GP, and lined up in a career best 7th.
- LEC: By taking his 2nd pole of his career he denied Max his 1st ever pole.
- VER: Took his 6th win of his career, extends his record of most wins without taking pole.
- Honda: First win for a Honda powered car since the 2006 Hungarian GP.
- RedBull: Took their 60th win as a team.
- GIO: Scored his first point in F1, first Italian to do so since 2010.
- HAM: Ended his run of 10 consecutive podium finishes, last time he missed the podium he won the 2018 WDC in Mexico.
- Williams: Are pointless (I could leave it at that). All other teams drivers have scored at least 1 point.
- GAS: I don't even...
He would have finished behind both McLarens if Sainz hadn't broken his front wing trying to pass him.
I'd like a good analysis on what's going on with Gasly. He clearly is disappointing hard but he wasn't this bad last year or in lower categories. It seems clear that he needs to go unless all issues are unrelated to the driver (unlikely), but it'd be cool to get some insights as to why exactly he's taking such a beating. Getting lapped by your teammate who was right there with you on lap 1 is no joke.
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