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Final Fantasy 16 Successfully Expanded the Series to New, Younger Players, Says Square Enix
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Hell yeah! Adored every second of my playthrough and it immediately became one of my top 3 entries.
They REALLY seem to be putting over Takeo Kujiraoka when they meet with the media like at PAX. He is probably a good candidate for director.
View: https://twitter.com/Dreamboum/status/1771199748218782035
I work with a rotating cast of undergrads and XVI was the first time I heard any of them express interest in the series. The game didn't ultimately work for me, but it's got a lot going for it, and I'd be happy as hell if it did successfully bring more people in.
Remake/Rebirth definitely feel like they're seen as a bit of an old person thing, understandably.
Remake/Rebirth definitely feel like they're seen as a bit of an old person thing, understandably.
I loved the beginning of the game and hated it by the end. It just got too boring and the side quests took too long to be any good. I'm having a much better time with Rebirth, but I know my nostalgia is a factor.
Now the question is are they going to capitalize on it? Is 17 going to be something widely different again or something more familiar to those who liked 16? How long is it going to take to come out?
Also interesting bit is that this does kinda soft confirm that FF as a franchise has been trending older and older.
Something people in the other thread have also tried to substantiate with other incidental data but it wasn't really possible to absolutely say that it was true.
But this seems to basically say yeah what people have been observing tracks.
Something people in the other thread have also tried to substantiate with other incidental data but it wasn't really possible to absolutely say that it was true.
But this seems to basically say yeah what people have been observing tracks.
FYI, they're comparing the survey demographics compare to last survey not the sales demographics vs previous titles.
I think there's some hope they're already in pre-prod, give what we've seen with the writer of Shadowbringers and Endwalker after the latter released.
Unfortunately, FF7 Remake is carrying this torch. Whilst I haven't played Rebirth, I hear they brought back both Corneo and the trio. Blows my mind that out of every game I've played, FF7 Remake is the one that gave me panic attacks.
It's a remake of a VERY old game that released over 20 years before the FF7Remake was released and is all about nostalgia. So...yeah, it is definitely aimed at a much older audience.
I'd guess that the average age of people playing FF remakes are somewhere around 25-35.
Ayyyyy, you love to see it! Great game and I hope to see more like it!
This is the perfect post.
Because it's Final Fantasy and Square Enix. That's all you need to know.
lolll
Been rooting for XVI and am happy to see it's reaching the people it needs to reach
That's good! Even as someone who is critical of FFXVI and prefers VII Rebirth, what FF needs is to build its fanbase especially with younger players.
Honestly I think the bones of FFXVI are great and if they decide to iterate on the combat found there while expanding on the scope of the game to feel more like an adventure (no more picking spots on a world map!) or make you feel more closely connected to the political conflict they could have a killer game on their hands.
Honestly I think the bones of FFXVI are great and if they decide to iterate on the combat found there while expanding on the scope of the game to feel more like an adventure (no more picking spots on a world map!) or make you feel more closely connected to the political conflict they could have a killer game on their hands.
Also make them more realistic as characters. Not talking about design, because FF is still very anime, so that will be reflected in the art style, but I feel like Clive's personality is perfect for a modern protagonist.
Not overly serious or extremely goofy, surprisingly emotional (shoutout to Ben Starr for that fantastic performance) and not snarky, quipy or sarcastic.
I now wonder what XIV's demographic is like. I imagine one of the goals for SE is to try to get the XIV population into the new single player titles, since I imagine it being a MMO means the population must skew younger than, say, the FF7 crowd. It has to have been one of the major reasons that SE was getting CBU3's name everywhere during XVI's marketing, while not doing the same for the other studios.
Considering the series continuous decline, that was at the expense of everyone else then. Please give us a PR update, it can't be still at 3M several months later.
I wonder what they can do to make the IP gets huge again, sure it'll never reach 7/8/9 popularity but they can try getting close.
Looks like next one need to be (true) open world for a start, and maybe even multiplayer.
I wonder what they can do to make the IP gets huge again, sure it'll never reach 7/8/9 popularity but they can try getting close.
Looks like next one need to be (true) open world for a start, and maybe even multiplayer.
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Don't you EVER have shame in your thread Spehornoob, you've started one of the best memes on this site!
I know that among the younger people that I've worked with, XIV just is "Final Fantasy" to them. Like, if I were to say I was playing Final Fantasy after work, they wouldn't ask me which one, they'd say "oh I play that game" and start talking about XIV.
So if SE got more of those people to try out XVI, that's good.
I disagree, I think the demographic for an MMO skews much older. Sure kids have more time for MMOs in theory but adults have much more income to play consistently and a small enough amount of time to make an MMO seem more worth the investment.
MMOs in general sure, but at least from my experience XIV definitely skews younger
I'm under the impression that XIV skews younger than the single player FF titles, which is why I think it was a really weird move to go for Playstation timed exclusivity for XVI, even more so than Rebirth.
I really think in an ideal situation, XVI should have been on PC at launch to capitalize on Yoshida and CBU3's popularity with the XIV base.
Yeah, I've played XIV myself for a long while, since the start of Heavensward. I still have an active sub despite not seriously raiding since mid-ShB. The majority of people I've interacted with see XIV as... XIV, and not part of a franchise. A big portion of the people I still keep in contact with, particularly raid groups and my Free Company on Discord were interested in XVI purely because it was being made by CBU3, but those that didn't have a PS5 were super bummed out that it wasn't releasing day and date on PC.
Now that I think about it, not a single one ever expressed any interest in Rebirth, but a few of them were interested in Dragon's Dogma 2 for comparison.
View: https://twitter.com/aitaikimochi/status/1522925478893391872
Probably the only type of data you can find on this question. Not official but it's something I guess.
(also if it wasn't clear this is Japan specific)
I never commented about this but I also think some criticized FFXVI pretty harshly and most of the negative stuff the game has is due to
Yoshi-p's team having no experience with single player games and bringing some stuff directly from FFXIV that do not translate well with the action direction the games takes.
It's still a really good product though and sometimes that's enough.
Having said that unfortunately I see a pattern here that is very sad.
Fans of a certain FF game get bullied and attacked from other fans for liking it and then those fans that were bullied
start bullying and attack those other fans that started this because they liked the next entry more than the previous one.
It's a never ending cycle of hatred that makes no sense and brings the community down as a whole...
Yoshi-p's team having no experience with single player games and bringing some stuff directly from FFXIV that do not translate well with the action direction the games takes.
It's still a really good product though and sometimes that's enough.
Having said that unfortunately I see a pattern here that is very sad.
Fans of a certain FF game get bullied and attacked from other fans for liking it and then those fans that were bullied
start bullying and attack those other fans that started this because they liked the next entry more than the previous one.
It's a never ending cycle of hatred that makes no sense and brings the community down as a whole...
That big 20-29 demographic is definitely still younger than the kind of audience the FF7 remake project would be targeting for sure.
Promising, but I'm wondering whether they identified what was the larger cause of attracting this audience (gameplay/setting/etc). Rarely does Square Enix keep systems when they move on to the next numbered FF these days so I'm expecting 17 will be completely different. Also the question of whether this audience will be retained if the next numbered FF takes another 7-8 years
I get what you're saying, but having some overly confident people eat some crow isn't bullying. Nor does it have to be a hate begets hate situation. We're talking about adults in their mid 20s+ here right? 😅
This would have probably been true some 15 years ago. But now there are reports saying most younger gamers are spending their time in live service games like Fortnite, Apex, Genshin, and HSR. They're probably not in MMOs specifically, but it wouldn't be because of the money and time investment, they're clearly seeing far greater value in playing those games than most single player games nowadays.
Hmmm debatable some times 😅
I think you know what I mean, this happens and just because someone is an adult doesn't mean they have an adult's mind sometimes..
Maybe not making games that need people to have played AT LEAST four other ones and also a movie to understand what's going on could help, I don't know.
The key difference here is those are free games and people are still scratchy about subscription models, especially since EVERYTHING is a subscription now. However, I am more inclined to believe that there is a lot of younger audience in XIV waiting to be tapped into like myself.
Why do yall keep regurgitating this point? Its not true at all