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Government is to suspend parliament (U.K.) Update: Queen approves the move.
- Thread starter Garfield
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I think this is all about no-deal. They are all in. Farage and the ERG have got Boris by the knackers and if we get to the 14th October and the Queen's Speech, no-deal is guaranteed. The fallout will be bad. The timing is probably bad. But no deal will happen.
opposition doing a Vote of no confidence and a new election (assuming the vote passes), I reckon is what will happen now before they can suspend parliament.
Becase sadly he's the PM.
Its not so much a demand as an instruction.
She can't stop this. She won't stop this. It's legal. That's why the law needed to change - and why he's doing this now before it can be. Remember this is all coming a day after opposition leaders met to plan against this.
I can confirm that it is not ablaze. In fact it's bloody raining.
yeah mate completely forsaking Northern Ireland and probably starting the Troubles all over again, exactly back to how things were
back in the fucking 70s, that is
The queen is not gonna stop this.
Tory rebels are a joke. I wouldn't bet anything on them.
It's not certainly legal. It's untested. There will be a judicial review.
She doesn't need to suspend Parliament, that's still her decision. At least that's what the article makes it sound like.
Nah. This about wanting to be seen to be delivering no deal and being stopped by the remainer elite because thats what gives them the maximum electoral advantage (as they'd see it: I'm not so sure I think what they gain in the midlands and north they lose in Lib Dem facing seats). People talk about the blitz spirit which was largely a myth, and I don't actually think no deal will be catastrophic in the short term, but it'll be disruptive enough that you're not going to call an election in during the crisis (and having a failed queens speech on the 14th of October means a late November election). No deal isn't that popular as an abstract concept, it's popularity will crater if it's ever actually a reality and an election at that point would be far too dangerous for Johnson.
She has no power, she is a figurehead and she like that her family lives like literal royalty without doing anything.
She will never rock the boat, if the elected government want it to sink, she will give the go ahead.
All those Tory rebels will have to decide immediately if they are real rebels or frauds. This is so much fun.
It's technically her decision but as in all other matters she will take the advice of her Prime Minister. Acting contrary to that advice would represent a taking back of political power by the crown. That is not going to happen.
And yet they'll vote with Boris regardless because they care about saving their own hides over doing what is right for the country.
Well, she also knows that he's not really a properly elected prime minister at all. The Queen may be a lot of things, but she's not an imbecile. I feel like people are giving her too little credit.
Hold onto your asses, we're either getting an election or turbocharging to no deal. Boris is forcing the VoNC as the only method to remainers so he gets his 'parliament vs the people' election
Boris loses either way if he has an election after Oct 31st. Either he didn't deliver brexit and the Brexit party eat his votes alive or he did crash us out and people are rioting in Asda.
So you think it's bait for the VONC which one way or another will result in an extension and an election? What happens if they don't take the bait and fight him in the courts? Theoretically, a JR could force parliament open or parliament could sit outside the house. The VONC is a trap. Unless the opposition parties can form a formal alliance they are fucked electorally because the vote is split. Boris could get a landslide with a lower vote than 2017.
Honestly, I don't know about that. The mildly sensible ones are rightfully terrified of No Deal.
I'd assume there'll have to be a GE at some point this autumn now.
He sought legal advice last week and now it's happening. Everyone was afraid of it happening because it was all too possible under the current rules.
As is stated, it's being put through under the extremely thin veil of being a "new Government." If this happened at any other time in the weeks after a new Prime Minister took office it probably wouldn't cause that much of a stir - especially since May delayed the last Queen's Speech, so the Government is working without a recognised agenda (beyond crash the economy and trash the country with a No Deal Brexit).
It's the timing and obvious ploy to drive No Deal through that makes this a problem and people should rightfully be outraged. There's still time to change the law, but not much.
Sure, the Queen could burn the whole system down and ignite chaos with a single word. But she won't.
But that's what he's setting up. Because his plan is to provoke remainer MP's to do a VONC before Brexit so he can have his people vs the politicians election.
It's why this has come out the day after Labour basically poo-poo'd an early VONC. This is an attempt to get an election without calling one.
Correct.
Feels like the only thing the Queen could reasonably do that wouldn't be "taking back power" would be to abdicate, meaning that the next monarch would be the one to do it. But that would just delay. Still, might give enough time to counter it...
This is pretty much the whole reason we are in this mess to begin with.
Thanks, so there is no real elected PM as what the other poster mentioned since you vote party and not person where the party chose a leader.
Then why would he even ask her to make a call if it's a given anyway? What a stupid technicality.
I think the idea is that the remain factions are in disarray and it's not clear if a VoNC will pass, and if it does, it's likely that no-one else can win confidence.
As we get closer to the deadline, it's more likely that the remain factions will stop jockeying for position and actually co-operate to take down Boris.
By suspending parliament for a Queen's speech on 14th Oct, it means that the only way to stop Brexit is to have a VoNC in the next week or two, which makes it difficult to pass. By the time we get to the 14th Oct, it's (probably) too late.
However, Boris could shoot himself in the foot here (though I might be being too optimistic).
The Queen's Speech must be voted for (after it is given, because that totally makes sense), and can be amended. The main way that Boris can get no deal is by ensuring he doesn't attempt to pass any bills that could be amended with "and we won't do the Brexit".
Amending it to add "and the government will seek to extend the Brexit deadline" might be possible, though since the Queen will have literally just read a speech about leaving on the 31st October, it would be quite unorthodox to amend the speech to say the opposite (the votes happen after the speech has been given). I think the Queen's Speech is usually amended to add extra policies and not to contradict what's already been said.
That's how it works. The Queen has the power on paper but in reality is simply a rubber-stamper.
Nah everything is normal here, its funny that doom is approaching so fast but everything seems normal at outside.