Remember when the EU was supposed to be the undemocratic negotiator in this negotiation?
Remember when the EU was supposed to be the undemocratic negotiator in this negotiation?
She can, she is the Queen after all.
However, by convention, it would be a huge deal if she did.
The 14th of October is a weird date. That would put any election post the 31st of October (even if you ignore all the parliamentary stuff which would have to happen to call an election it takes a minimum of 25 working days by law from the dissolution of parliament to the polling day), which makes me doubt they'd go for a no deal on the 31st if their Queen's speech is voted down (and it would be). You'd be looking at an election in the week of the 18th of November post a no-deal, almost certainly the 21st of November. It'd be chaos, it'd literally be the worst time Johnson could call an election in a no deal scenario, it's long enough for any disruption to overtake stockpiling. If you're going for a no deal election you'd want it immediately (within one or two days of no deal) where your mitigation have their maximum effect.
This is to set up a people vs the politicians "tell them again" election.
Bercow has said lots of times he will not take kindly to any Gov trying to stop parliament having a say, it is all a game of chess, the opposition MP's will now have to go away to see if there is anything they can do to counter this move
Do they have the numbers? Weren't tory 'rebels' saying they won't vote against the goverment yesterday?
Becase sadly he's the PM.Why are people reacting like the Queen would even listen to this buffoon's demands?
Why are people reacting like the Queen would even listen to this buffoon's demands?
We're so doomed. I can really feel the doom.
I'm going to London in an hour, I wonder if it'll be on fire when I get there?
That's not how it works.Why are people reacting like the Queen would even listen to this buffoon's demands?
I like how so many people are making a huge thing out of nothing - it was pretty obvious for a long time now that from the British side a no-deal was going to happen (too much difference between parties). The only hope was that the EU would meet them half-way and make a deal - but the EU is quite arrogant too.
This is just like all that 'doom hype' back when the vote to leave EU happened. Life will go on, there will be a few tough months whilst things get sorted out, but ultimately things will go back to how they were. London isn't going to lose it's Financial hub of the world status just because it's leaving the EU, and anyone who says so just plain doesn't understand how the world works tbh.
I left in 2015 and even back then there were a lot of people not happy with the EU (though I was in the Midlands, not London).
Edit: Not a British citizen, I could be wrong - can't believe I have to state it implicitly, but these are my personal views only.
The queen is not gonna stop this.Why are people reacting like the Queen would even listen to this buffoon's demands?
Tory rebels are a joke. I wouldn't bet anything on them.
She can't stop this. She won't stop this. It's legal. That's why the law needed to change - and why he's doing this now before it can be. Remember this is all coming a day after opposition leaders met to plan against this.
She can't stop this. She won't stop this. It's legal. That's why the law needed to change - and why he's doing this now before it can be. Remember this is all coming a day after opposition leaders met to plan against this.
I think this is all about no-deal. They are all in. Farage and the ERG have got Boris by the knackers and if we get to the 14th October and the Queen's Speech, no-deal is guaranteed. The fallout will be bad. The timing is probably bad. But no deal will happen.
She has no power, she is a figurehead and she like that her family lives like literal royalty without doing anything.Why are people reacting like the Queen would even listen to this buffoon's demands?
She doesn't need to suspend Parliament, that's still her decision. At least that's what the article makes it sound like.
And yet they'll vote with Boris regardless because they care about saving their own hides over doing what is right for the country.There will be plenty of tories that are against this... despite popular opinion they aren't all actual evil.
It's technically her decision but as in all other matters she will take the advice of her Prime Minister. Acting contrary to that advice would represent a taking back of political power by the crown. That is not going to happen.
The 14th of October is a weird date. That would put any election post the 31st of October (even if you ignore all the parliamentary stuff which would have to happen to call an election it takes a minimum of 25 working days by law from the dissolution of parliament to the polling day), which makes me doubt they'd go for a no deal on the 31st if their Queen's speech is voted down (and it would be). You'd be looking at an election in the week of the 18th of November post a no-deal, almost certainly the 21st of November. It'd be chaos, it'd literally be the worst time Johnson could call an election in a no deal scenario, it's long enough for any disruption to overtake stockpiling. If you're going for a no deal election you'd want it immediately (within one or two days of no deal) where your mitigation have their maximum effect.
This is to set up a people vs the politicians "tell them again" election.
Nah. This about wanting to be seen to be delivering no deal and being stopped by the remainer elite because thats what gives them the maximum electoral advantage (as they'd see it: I'm not so sure I think what they gain in the midlands and north they lose in Lib Dem facing seats). People talk about the blitz spirit which was largely a myth, and I don't actually think no deal will be catastrophic in the short term, but it'll be disruptive enough that you're not going to call an election in during the crisis. No deal isn't that popular as an abstract concept, it's popularity will crater if it's ever actually a reality and an election at that point would be far too dangerous for Johnson.
Well, she also knows that he's not really a properly elected prime minister at all. The Queen may be a lot of things, but she's not an imbecile. I feel like people are giving her too little credit.
Honestly, I don't know about that. The mildly sensible ones are rightfully terrified of No Deal.And yet they'll vote with Boris regardless because they care about saving their own hides over doing what is right for the country.
Well, she also knows that he's not really a properly elected prime minister at all. The Queen may be a lot of things, but she's not an imbecile. I feel like people are giving her too little credit.
Hold onto your asses, we're either getting an election or turbocharging to no deal.
It's not certainly legal. It's untested. There will be a judicial review.
Boris loses either way if he has an election after Oct 31st. Either he didn't deliver brexit and the Brexit party eat his votes alive or he did crash us out and people are rioting in Asda.
Correct me, but don't the UK vote for parties and not a person?
Correct.
Feels like the only thing the Queen could reasonably do that wouldn't be "taking back power" would be to abdicate, meaning that the next monarch would be the one to do it. But that would just delay. Still, might give enough time to counter it...
So the idea of this is to prevent the remainers from passing a law that would stop No deal?
Since this is the option that the non Labour remainers have asked for instead of the VONC option that Corbyn suggested, does this move by Borris mean that the non Labour remainers will have no choice now but to support a VONC since its the only option left now?
Then why would he even ask her to make a call if it's a given anyway? What a stupid technicality.
If you're paying in euro yeah.
We're so doomed. I can really feel the doom.
I'm going to London in an hour, I wonder if it'll be on fire when I get there?