Well what's the arguments against it?
The hard counter is to not let it happen and stuff out the opportunity for him to use the RNG. But no when people bring that up it's Pro Hero players being dumb and not understanding the argument
Pokemon has way more rng than even Hero does and it still has a very healthy competitive scene.
Dota 2 doesn't have any items or abilities that can change Ogre Magi's RNG chance. It's not even psuedo random, it's just pure luck. The entire hero is built around it.
The argument against it is that the RNG in Dota 2 is nowhere near game deciding in almost all cases, nor does it completely change the game.
You're right, rng is way more impactful in a turn based rpg than a fighting game because it's by nature way more impactful and harder to mitigate with skill
Nothing Hero has is a guaranteed kill and there are ways to avoid his attacks.
Techies weren't out of captain's mode that long. It wasn't unheard of for new heroes to go 6+ months without being in Captains Mode during those days, which is about how long Techies had to wait.
Nope. Techies was reworked in 7.0 (December 2016) and it took until 7.14 (April 2018) for him to be re-added to Captains Mode. Prior to that he was in Captain's Mode for a while when he was freshly added, but generally Techies has dipped in and out of Captains Mode for long stretches of time because of how he functions.
Hero absolutely does NOT have a guaranteed edgeguard.
The original Techies in Captains Mode was WAYYYYYYYY more obnoxious than the rework. I played Dota 2 during that era. I know what happened.
If you're gonna complain about someone being dishonest i suggest you stop posting twitter clips and alpharad videos. Nothing in 2 weeks is gonna be enough basis to anything. This might as well be the "ban little mac" 2.0 right now.
The Smash community already failed to ban the equivalent of vanilla MVC3 Phoenix though.
Maybe it's because your arguments aren't conclusive either way and hardly provide good points
just had a prolonged "wait, Phoenix wasn't even in vanilla MvC3" moment before remembering that the Marvel side of the roster exists
Be honest now, nothing in any amount of time would convince y'all that Hero should be banned unless he was Bayonetta tier and started dominating EVO because I'm guessing no one here watches or goes to locals. People here would still be complaining about cherry-picking or 'but other games have RNG' forms of disingenuous comparisons.
Can people stop making disingenuous arguments? The reason why Mii were banned because custom movesets were a clusterfuck which made consistent rules around them a clusterfuck. They got caught up in that ban because it didn't make sense to allow people to customize Miis and not customize their characters and vice versa which also made setup a pain in the ass because you had to unlock all of the custom moves as well.
I have never seen someone who put vanilla Dante above vanilla Phoenix. Dante was certainly top tier alongside Magneto, Wesker, Wolverine, and Zero, but it's hard to put any of them at Phoenix level.
Don't even try really,like i do. 13 pages in and people still dont understand that the conversation is not about the character being op, its about the RNG aspects not being interesting in a competition to see who is the most skilled player. You can't have a debate without some sort of common ground to start with.
No, actually it didn't make any sense at all to ban Miis because they didn't have any of those issues and were specifically designed to have their moves changed.
Dante was definitely better in retrospect imo. The meter gain, invincible hammer + assists, giant ass normals that confirmed into ez bnbs, etc.
You're literally making up arguments now, because the argument was never about Mii's being OP and I'd love you to point to an actual TO or group claiming that was the reason why they were banned. The reason why no one cares now is because Miis have been more standardized, quicker to set up and none of that height/weight nonsense.
Mii mains were totally fine with using a standard weight in Smash 4. Just use system Miis, like Ultimate Mii mains do.
Height/weight was never an issue, even in Smash 4. Nobody was ever arguing that Mii mains should be able to make new Miis, they agreed that using system Miis was the way to go.
And i completely disagree. I dont find interesting to watch 2 skilled players competing to see who is the best just for hero winning because magic burst appeared when the adversary was off stage and couldn't do anything 2 times in a match.
To ban a character you need "data" that adds to your argument, Twitter and twitch clips aren't real data, if you ban hero because of rng you need to ban mrG&W and peach as well, because the people that want hero banned make up an arbitriary line between too much rng an normal amount of rng, but what too much rng and normals amount means?, that is the problem most of you can't debate without using Twitter clips were hero is winning thanks to rng, I can do the same and post clips of hero losing thanks to rng, you want a debate then use compelling data.
I also believe there was a bit of Miis being ugly and from the "casual" Wii.
I never said there is no answers, i dont even think hero is a good character overall. I do think his presence there is not interesting on a competitive level because of the situations hes gonna lead to. You can outplay all the spells, but you can't outplay the order and/or when they will come out. You may find that exciting and good, but i fundamentally disagree. I think it will only lead to lame games and plays in which players win by the roll of a dice.
