I do have evidence. They voted for him. They voted for a racist. This is undeniable.
Yea I figured this is where the conversation was going to go, pretty typical.
I do have evidence. They voted for him. They voted for a racist. This is undeniable.
I honestly can't tell if some of these people are trolling or are just entirely consumed by politics and unable to live normal lives.
Being a "one-issue voter" doesn't exempt you from being criticized for choosing to ignore widely broadcast idiocy and frequently vaunted racism, sexism, authoritarianism, and xenophobia when voting for the most powerful figure in the world. Nor do the preexisting realities of politics begin to justify electing a compelte neophyte and regressive idiot like Trump. The only incredibly complex thing here are the justifications some people come up with to ignore and excuse these basic facts and their own personal failings.
Why else would someone vote for a flagrant racist? I want to hear reasons.Yea I figured this is where the conversation was going to go, pretty typical.
So, let's say you have Mexican individuals or LGBT individuals working at your company, and a guy shows up to an interview with a MAGA hat on, or a Confederate flag hat. Would you be cool with asking them to work with and tolerate someone who voted against even treating them like people? How could you do that to them, and why would you if you could avoid it?Now you're just arguing in bad faith.
Of course blatant expression of support for KKK member or Nazi would impact the work environment.
Okay, so explain how someone voting for racism is not a racist, and how Hillary wasn't the lesser of two evils.Yea I figured this is where the conversation was going to go, pretty typical.
So, let's say you have Mexican individuals or LGBT individuals working at your company, and a guy shows up to an interview with a MAGA hat on, or a Confederate flag hat. Would you be cool with asking them to work with and tolerate someone who voted against even treating them like people? How could you do that to them, and why would you if you could avoid it?
I wouldn't hire anyone that interviewed without a suit sooooooSo, let's say you have Mexican individuals or LGBT individuals working at your company, and a guy shows up to an interview with a MAGA hat on, or a Confederate flag hat. Would you be cool with asking them to work with and tolerate someone who voted against even treating them like people? How could you do that to them, and why would you if you could avoid it?
Holy shit that is not this thread. The election was two years ago my man.Okay, so explain how someone voting for racism is not a racist, and how Hillary wasn't the lesser of two evils.
Why else would someone vote for a flagrant racist? I want to hear reasons.
I honestly can't tell if some of these people are trolling or are just entirely consumed by politics and unable to live normal lives.
It's absurd this even needs to be said, and more absurd that people will inevitably attack it.Voting for Hillary doesn't automatically make you a good person, for the record
The poster I was responding to brought it up, not me, my manHoly shit that is not this thread. The election was two years ago my man.
I was specifically forming that scenario in the light of the person I was originally responding to to find out their line and what they consider "harm" in the workplace. In the OP, it says you just magically know.Many in this thread has explicitly said that if the person in question has ability, the professionalism, and the attitude in their work environment--a.k.a. "not bringing politics in to the office" or "not making a fuss about it"--they would be okay with it. Showing up in an interview with a MAGA Hat or a Confederate flag hat or a Nazi symbol or wearing a KKK hood is "not bringing politics in to the office" and would reflect that that person is not capable of sound judgment for a professional work environment. Of course I wouldn't hire the person. But should I snoop around every potential employee and directly ask what their political affiliation are before I hire them? Is that how it works in your place of work?
Calling people sad less than 30 posts in is not a great look, SCM.As much as I would hope it's just trolling I honestly don't think it is. It's quite sad really.
Obviously, and nobody nowhere in this thread said it didVoting for Hillary doesn't automatically make you a good person or better employee, for the record.
It's absurd this even needs to be said, and more absurd that people will inevitably attack it.
This... happened once.
Backstory. At my old job, I was part of the hiring committee. Interview processes aren't perfect, and two hours isn't always enough to determine someone's political leanings. Yes, if they came in with a MAGA hat we'd go through the interview only as a formality (we're part of a bureaucracy so stuff can happen) but it'll be a no. But not every Trump supporter has a MAGA hat. After this fact we learn this kid--well, Freshman--is one of those well-to-do comes from a wealthy family that always leans Republicans. Now, with someone who's a Freshman in college, there's room to believe for growth--I'm not going to think of a naive white Freshman the same way I'd approach an old right-leaning white professor like Pinker or Peterson; it's a huge red flag when we realized but not immediate crisis mode. Besides, there isn't much we can do; waiting for contracts to expire is faster than the firing process because bureaucracy. So while he did parrot his views of his parents, our work were an assertive and intelligent bunch (you had to be, for our job) and they spoke out. And while I did have my hands tied, I put pressure where I could (e.g. it was revealed he didn't tip service workers, like ever, so I--perhaps passive-aggressively--made a reminder to tip service workers part of our nightly announcements). Like, I genuinely think he didn't see a lot of these viewpoints before because super wealthy mostly white towns can be politically insulating. In the end, due to the constant intervening of coworkers, he felt proud to vote for Johnson instead of Trump which... is something? Maybe? I honestly don't know. And I think he finally started tipping workers? It's been too long and I had too many people to look after.
So what's my point? I don't know if I have one to be honest. I don't think it's incumbent on coworkers to correct their fellow coworkers views when they're problematic. But... the story felt relevant to the thread and I felt like sharing anyway.
Yeah but Trojita what about the coal industry, trump said he was going to save it
Sure, some may be racist, bigots, full of xenophobia, transphobia etc, but if you expect me to believe that the literal millions upon millions of people who voted for Trump are ALL like this you're out to lunch. It's just such a ridiculous notion. For many people they are truly one issue voters. "Oh he said he's bringing jobs, I've been out of a job for months. Trump gets my vote!" Etc.
If you haven't noticed, Trump (like every single politician in history) will say whatever he needs to to get the vote. He has said many things throughout his campaign that range from completely benign, yet still of interest to people (more jobs) all the way up to horrific things that bring out the worst in people (let's build a wall to keep out those shitty Mexicans). Every politician caste their net far and wide to wrangle whoever they can to vote. In the most basic way these people are "complicit", literally due to their vote. However that doesn't necessarily mean that they are praying to the altar of Trump and readying their weapons to kill all the gays and immigrants and shit.
It is such a naive and frankly disgustingly self-righteous way to think this way. This is EXACTLY what American politicians and media have wanted from it's public for a long time. Complete and utter division. Us vs them. To the point where you throw away any and all rational thought as long as it strokes you in that special place that makes you feel as if you are somehow morally superior to others.
This may be hard for you to understand but human beings are incredibly complex creatures, full of nuance and many different layers and depths to what makes them "them", and there are hundreds of millions of people in America. Many millions who voted for Trump. They aren't the Borg, there is always more to things than random hyperbolic blanket statements.
This is a bad generalization of America IMO, but you're entitled to feel that way.
However, I think feeling that way will make you miserable.
I was referring to equal opportunity policy. Otherwise I wouldn't want to risk hiring an HR nightmare, especially if the workforce is diverse.I'm not aware of a company having a hiring policy that includes cherry picking only those whose political affiliations align with your own. I'm pretty sure that's called discrimination?
If you have the privilege to make the right choice and not invite that into your workforce but you do anyways, and knowingly, maybe,I guess the real question would be, if you agree to hire a Trump supporter does that mean you agree to everything that Trump represent?
I guess cases can be made for both yes or no, depending on the context.
I was referring to equal opportunity policy. Otherwise I wouldn't want to risk hiring an HR nightmare, especially if the workforce is diverse.
I guess the real question would be, if you agree to hire a Trump supporter does that mean you agree to everything that Trump represent?
I guess cases can be made for both yes or no, depending on the context.
If you have the privilege to make the right choice and not invite that into your workforce but you do anyways, and knowingly, maybe,
So you're basically trying to get him fired or put him in a situation where he receives more pressure than others because of what you know about his views, but not in a way that is explicit?
Kind of like a nudge nudge wink wink please realize you're not wanted here?
You're asking this when you can't even believe tens of millions of people are racist? In America?You assume that simply because they voted for Trump, as tens of millions of people did, that they are automatically deemed "an HR nightmare"?
Yeah but Trojita what about the coal industry, trump said he was going to save it
I never said that.
When I said I'd rather see him grow as a person, I mean that. Within a supervisor role, my options are limited; I can't force someone to not vote for Trump no matter how unethical I think voting for him is. But I'm not going to pretend that people's political views are necessarily benign things, that they don't impact how fellow coworkers interact or how they work together. If he says something problematic, and his coworkers call him out on it, that's his problem (and by extension my problem since I'm his supervisor). If he came running to me, I'd give him a tough love response. And it's a dynamic that worked; as I said, he wasn't terribly wedded to his views as much as he was isolated from others.
As an aside, tipping is different. I can defensibly put a reminder for people to tip their waiters as long as it's not a requirement to work (it never was nor intended to be). But having pressure on people where a common courtesy is included like that can help normalize practices, I think.
In the end, he wasn't fired (or had his contract expired) but left when he moved for educational reasons. None of us found him to be an unbearable problem, but it was... something.
You assume that simply because they voted for Trump, as tens of millions of people did, that they are automatically deemed "an HR nightmare"?
Honestly, it's my personal preference that I wouldn't want to work with a Trump supporter, and I would also want to look out for the work environment for my current coworkers. At this point, anyone who still supports him is a bad person to me, given all the shit this administration has been pulling. However, if I were hiring for an actual company in an actual real scenario, like many others here, I would follow the hiring policy set in place and assess them based on their resume and interview. But this isn't the real world, it's a video game forum so I couldn't really give two shits.
But ok, you got me. You've exposed that the liberals are the true bigots, or both sides or just as bad, or whatever you were going after with your grandstanding.
Dude have you seen this person's posts? Misery doesn't begin to describe it.
As much as I would hope it's just trolling I honestly don't think it is. It's quite sad really.
Sure, some may be racist, bigots, full of xenophobia, transphobia etc, but if you expect me to believe that the literal millions upon millions of people who voted for Trump are ALL like this you're out to lunch. It's just such a ridiculous notion. For many people they are truly one issue voters. "Oh he said he's bringing jobs, I've been out of a job for months. Trump gets my vote!" Etc.
If you haven't noticed, Trump (like every single politician in history) will say whatever he needs to to get the vote. He has said many things throughout his campaign that range from completely benign, yet still of interest to people (more jobs) all the way up to horrific things that bring out the worst in people (let's build a wall to keep out those shitty Mexicans). Every politician caste their net far and wide to wrangle whoever they can to vote. In the most basic way these people are "complicit", literally due to their vote. However that doesn't necessarily mean that they are praying to the altar of Trump and readying their weapons to kill all the gays and immigrants and shit.
It is such a naive and frankly disgustingly self-righteous way to think this way. This is EXACTLY what American politicians and media have wanted from it's public for a long time. Complete and utter division. Us vs them. To the point where you throw away any and all rational thought as long as it strokes you in that special place that makes you feel as if you are somehow morally superior to others.
This may be hard for you to understand but human beings are incredibly complex creatures, full of nuance and many different layers and depths to what makes them "them", and there are hundreds of millions of people in America. Many millions who voted for Trump. They aren't the Borg, there is always more to things than random hyperbolic blanket statements.