II'm sure its helping MS as a company compared to before they launched the X. But in regards to beating its competition, the gap is only widening now, not closing
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II'm sure its helping MS as a company compared to before they launched the X. But in regards to beating its competition, the gap is only widening now, not closing
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If this happens, it's going to risk normalising the ps5 price and make 499 look totally reasonable.
Ie ps5 in isolation at 499: 'too expensive!'
Ps5 at 499 when ms launch at 599 with a strong box and 399 with a weak box: ps5 looks good!
Haven't sales for Xbox one slowed below 2018? It got a boost the year after laucnhed but I think that was it.
Hence my statement of looking at it from a single mindset
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I agree with you btw the PlayStation brand is way much stronger and just having "more powah" isn't going to do anything in selling more than Sony.
Don't get me wrong I'm sure they would LOVE to be #1. But since they won't be in the foreseeable future I'm sure they have other internal goals/benchmarks they are striving for
Could MS take a hit with Scarlett ? Let say it will be a 600$ console, but they will sell it 500$. I can see Microsoft do especially with Gamepass and X Cloud. However, not sure Sony will ever again sell a console at loss.
So we how do we know that the sales wouldn't have fallen off even more?
Of course developers in general will blow us away, but from the 3 I am only excited for Playground Games next new IP. Rare still needs to prove themselves and The Coalition first have to deliver Gears 5.
In general I think we will see consoles with almost the same ballpark of power that can be extracted from devs.
Second games will have better graphics and more simulation, but since power of PS360 I think we have a minimum standard reached where games look better, we still can be amazed, but it is in the hands of developers to create their vision.
They probably would have fallen even worse. But the allure of a new version helped.
If I were Phil and was convident I would not tell the gpu and ram specs because even though Sony won't be to change much it still gives them plenty of time to react, I would announce the specs in 2020 or after Sony announce there's so they have very little time to react.
Sony did sell PS4 at launch with loss but they minimized the loss by PS+ sub and one game for best case
Yup.. E3 is going to be crazy good.
Both will probably sell at a loss regardless or to were a game or PS+/XBLG sub makes it even.
True enough, great gaming times are coming. This fierce competition will bring out the best in them and we as gamers will reap the benefits 👍
Hasn't every non-Nintendo console ever been sold at a loss at launch?
So again how does this refute my post you originally quoted? It seems you are agreeing with me
Agreed about E3.
If MS does not come out swinging at E3 then it will be such a wasted, deflated effort. They need to reveal -something-. Doesn't have to be everything. My guess is that they will tease and then do a proper reveal at XO19.
If MS does not come out swinging at E3 then it will be such a wasted, deflated effort. They need to reveal -something-. Doesn't have to be everything. My guess is that they will tease and then do a proper reveal at XO19.
Forza already looks incredible on the X. Imagine the extra resources they can invest in it graphically next gen. It's going to be incredible.
Graphically those 3 devs smashed it this gen on inferior hardware. Sea Of Thieves, Horizon 3 and 4 and Gears 5 look unbelievable.
Just imagine what they can do with cutting edge tech
The Nextbox rumours from months ago have been saying it will come with an NVMe SSD. We're talking months before the Sony Wired article so there must be some truth to it as it's way too much of a coincidence that MS is alleged to have this tech and Sony comes out officially confirming they have it months later. I think its safe to say both are using this tech and its probably related to AMDs own technologies (this is speculation on my part). What Cerny explained in the article reminded me a lot of AMDs StoreMI software.
But you just agreed they would have fallen off even more of it wasn't for the X
Price is what'll make the difference at launch
If both are the same price then game titles will decide the difference
Power is a good thing to show off yeah but you need games.
If both are the same price then game titles will decide the difference
Power is a good thing to show off yeah but you need games.
The NextGen Battle is not going to be about hardware is going to be about content an that is the thing where MS should be Focus they have the most powerful console at the moment and they have been killed by the competition.
MS or SONY could get the most powerful hardware and the different (graphics) at the end will be insignificant to the common user...MS need content not keep pushing to win the hardware war.
MS or SONY could get the most powerful hardware and the different (graphics) at the end will be insignificant to the common user...MS need content not keep pushing to win the hardware war.
So again to my original point.
The poster stated that having the X wasn't helping MS/Xbox brand and went on to mention that Sony was still outselling it
I stated that if you wanted to look at it from that narrow of a perspective (ie using only comparison to Sony) that's true but overall that statement is false.
That's all I'm trying to say
I mean, at this point, the Xbox division is still in the red as a whole from the original Xbox forward. What's one more generation? And they'll make money off PC versions where they don't have to take a loss first to get someone to buy that copy.
I thought they started to make money from the 360 era? But I wouldn't be surprised if the Xbone era wiped that out again...
So Microsoft has something they don't want to say out loud again and we're going to run a thread about it again. Nice!
The question is, for people who like the "best" hardware, where will they be more powerful? TBH I like the PS5 specs and MS can improve on several small fronts, but I am hoping that they manage to differentiate significantly in some ways. A little bit more ram or a little higher clockrate compared to PS5 is not *that* exciting. I hope they bring something new (like a completely new GPU) or maybe *gasp* some kind of hardware RT.
The fact that Phil was at the AMD presentation was an indication I think of some unexpected hardware in XBox.
Exciting times.
The fact that Phil was at the AMD presentation was an indication I think of some unexpected hardware in XBox.
Exciting times.
I disagree. Next gen is going to have huge graphical leaps if what Cerny said is anything to go by. Ray tracing especially is going to play a big part in games and the more powerful the hardware, the better effects you can have. 3rd party multiplat games will be the showcase for a lot of this tech and whichever console has the better graphics you can be sure they'll market the hell out of it and the consumers will know about it. Sony's whole marketing push for the PS4 initially was about the power advantage they had over the Xbox One, people knew about it and it reflected in surveys.
Scarlett is the next gen platform, Lockhart is the 1080p variant, Anaconda is the 4K variant... so we think.
Scarlet is generation name.
The rest are codenanes for different models
Thought the announcement was going to set the cat among the pigeons. Reminds me of how Microsoft was definitely going to take the power crown last gen, how the inventors of DirectX would not allow their competitors to have a power advantage. Whatever desires MS may have also has to meet the reality of the AMD tech they're both using.
Though to be honest I don't think it matters either way. The power delta will either be so close that it doesn't matter, or the PS5 will be at a sweet spot that sails through the middle while MS is somewhat scuppered by its multiple power level SKU plans.
The only dangers for Sony I can see is if MS somehow manage to make their most powerful box cheaper than the PS5, or that their weaker machine is sufficiently cheap that it becomes a bigger success story in the US. There is a definite risk in being able to deliver on multiple simultaneous SKUs though (consumer confusion, technical issues).
Though to be honest I don't think it matters either way. The power delta will either be so close that it doesn't matter, or the PS5 will be at a sweet spot that sails through the middle while MS is somewhat scuppered by its multiple power level SKU plans.
The only dangers for Sony I can see is if MS somehow manage to make their most powerful box cheaper than the PS5, or that their weaker machine is sufficiently cheap that it becomes a bigger success story in the US. There is a definite risk in being able to deliver on multiple simultaneous SKUs though (consumer confusion, technical issues).
Red Ring of Death cost them 1 billion dollars in warranty repairs.
They've had per-month and per-quarter profits, but if you could the money spent as a whole on the original Xbox forward, they still haven't crossed back over 0 to positive. If anyone has proof to the contrary, I'd be up to reading it, but they also bury the Xbox inside other divisions on their public reports for a reason.
Scarlett is the device family, and Anaconda is the more powerful of the Scarlett range.
Honestly I think that's all you need to point out as it sums it up
Ah, I see, thanks. So how sure are we? Compared to, say, everyone's surety that Metroid Prime Trilogy would be at the Game Awards last year.
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